can anyone explain exactly what's going on in "poetry, language and thought?"

>>By rocktheboat   (Saturday, 25 Jan 2003 12:57)

Any thoughts about the section lableled "Language" in particular?

>>By curiositykilledthecat   (Monday, 17 Mar 2003 17:13)

Why do I experience a life-altering existential crises every time I try to finish "Being and Time" ?

>>By pantagruel   (Thursday, 9 Jun 2005 19:02)

did he coin the phrase, "Wherever you go, there you are?"

>>By Hume Ungus   (Thursday, 9 Jun 2005 20:10)

Just sending out this message to help determine if there are any serious Heideggerians (or Phenomenologists if You please) who might come aboard here from time to time. I recently picked up through the library a copy of Heidegger's "Contributions to Philosophy:Enowning" . . .hopefully that's an accurate rendition of the English title . . . I have also seen that there is an on-line companion to help with interpretation of this rather difficult work . . . "Being and Time" is endlessly fascinating but I think I really digested more of Heidegger's "Problems in Phenomenology". Has anyone here dabbled in Late Heidegger as per my above remarks. And are any of You familiar with the work of Marion who is considered by some to be Heidegger's heir . . . in particular a work called "The Given" I believe. Look forward to getting some solid input in regards to these matters . . . I have probably read more commentary on Heidegger than actual Heidegger himself.
Let's see what we can get going here --- Sator

>>By satorotas   (Wednesday, 27 Jul 2005 19:26)

Wht are some of the major problems in Phenomenology according to Heidegger? I read a short essay by Dennet on the subject. One of his first points was the problem of the purple cow. Clearly there isn't a small purple cow in my head as I envision it. What, however, is it? How can it be explained without escaping into a dualistic model?

>>By Hume Ungus   (Friday, 29 Jul 2005 13:52)

All right, well, I'm also looking for some Heidegger readers ... I am moving through Being and Time with the aid of Herbert Dreyfus's Being-in-the-world, and Dreyfus' online lectures. I'm specific to Dreyfus as he addresses the pragmatism in phenomenology, (and is my advisor's mentor...), and the interpretive, descriptive understanding of Dasein (well, per Dreyfus, that is the intent of phenomenology, that there is no 'outside,' but only what can be described in the already present sense ... I think) ... But I'm also struggling to understand the differences in the ontic/ontological, existential/pragmatic aspects of public (social) modes (moods??) of being ... happy to read anyone's thoughts ... I don't consider myself a philosopher by any means, so feel free to ask for clarifications of terms, or correct me on anything, as it's pretty new to me ... thank you!

But yes, to answer satorotas, I consider myself a beginning interpretive phenomenologist ... (see also Von Manen ... )

>>By go2paris   (Wednesday, 10 Aug 2005 21:28)

I perused the Dreyfus book on "Being and Time" about 10 years ago if my chronology is correct. He is certainly clearest expositor of Heidegger that I have yet seen. Some commentators seem intent on packing their own agendas into their presentation of Heidegger . . . twisting and turning him about to suit their fancy . . . but Dreyfus did seem amazingly straightforward . . . I shall have to look into his book again, though. It is available at the library where I am writing this message. I must check into Von Manen . . . that's a new name for me. Is Von Manen a phenomenologist . . . or explicator that I should know about? There is a book out about the "Genesis" of "Being and Time" which I found quite helpful. I can't remember the author off the top of my head . . . but I can send another note . . . by 8/16 (Tuesday) if not today. I do not usually think of Heidegger in relation to Pragmatism of any sort . . .so their connection would need to be explained for me to catch on. Please tell me [Go2Paris] what Your relation to Pragmatism is . . . via James, Pierce or whomever?

>>By satorotas   (Thursday, 11 Aug 2005 15:07)

The book that I had in mind in an earlier note primarily addressed to [go2paris] is "The Genesis of Heidegger's BEING & TIME"
by Theodore Kisiel (published by Univ. of California Press/1993).
There is also an excellent book entitled "A Heidegger Dictionary" by Michael Inwood published by Blackwell Publishers/Oxford in 1991.
It looks quite handy to get into some of the linguistic subtleties of Heidegger's German.
Fare thee well --- Sator

>>By satorotas   (Thursday, 11 Aug 2005 19:00)

My advisor studied with Burt Dreyfus at Berkeley where he still teaches; actually students of Dreyfus who continue on with Heidegger call themselves Dreydegerrians! (Including, I think, Charles Taylor.) Max Van Manen (this is the correct spelling, apologies) 'Researching Lived Experience,' talks about interpretive phenomenology as it applies to qualitative research (he is an educator), so as a method of research, but this draws heavily on the Heidegerrian concepts of the hermeneutic circle, the nature or qualities of, and primacy of, experience, etc, to lead to understanding (of a research topic/subject/project). Also, Charles Taylor (in Philosophical Papers I) speaks to the challenges phenomenology poses towards the Cartesian tradition, (with whom Heidegger is arguing via Husserl), especially as it relates to science. You might also see if you can find any articles or books by Patricia Benner, who has brought phenomenology into the realm of nursing practice, and has brilliant insights into the intersections between knowledge and experience.

Re pragmatism: in reading Heidegger, I have had the nagging sensation that he himself is drawing somewhat on GH Mead ... Mead studied and was writing in Germany around the same time that Heidegger was a student of Husserl; I feel almost certain they must have crossed paths. Heidegger was not the most generous human being, so while he does not credit Mead (nor, and more damagingly, Husserl, but that's another topic), there are ideas which seem to come from Mead (such as the primary social interaction and interpretation circle that is not solely an individual experience, and the relation of the social individual to physical objects, which strengthens Heidegger's challenges to the primacy of solitary experience espoused in Cartesian thought). Dreyfus also emphasises the pragmatism of Heidegger's arguments, though not directly related to James, but I can see some relationship to Pierce and Cooley, (and also, though not directly related, WEB DuBois). My next exploration is a read of Berger and Luckman's The Social Construction of Reality, as in reading some chapters, I have seen an influence from Heidegger ... though social constructionism tends to backtrack to the Cartesian tradition .... but are those later social constructionists who didn't get B&L?

George Herbert Mead: seen as the 'father' of symbolic interactionism, whose roots are in pragmatism ... I'm not meaning to imply that Heidegger owes his thought to Mead, as there are important digressions, especially around behaviorism ...

Sator: thanks for the cites, will see if my library has them ... :) especially the dictionary! I met a PhD student from Switzerland who actually found it easier to read Heidegger in English rather than German!


Van Manen, Max (1990) Researching Lived Experience: Human Science for an Action Sensitive Pedagogy, SUNY Press. (he is also published in various journals).

Berger, PL and Luckmann, T (1966) The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge, New York: Anchor Books.

>>By go2paris   (Thursday, 11 Aug 2005 20:06)

oh goodness, sator, didn't read your pragmatism question quite right ... my particular path is via classroom study of symbolic interactionism, so an overview of all the above, but I have particular interest in Mead and Dewey ...

>>By go2paris   (Friday, 12 Aug 2005 23:36)

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