Fuck your god

>>By Vongard   (Monday, 11 Aug 2003 02:49)

I know it's not my place but... are you upset by something? Or are you just upset by 'our' God? By the way, who is 'your' God?

>>By Lore   (Monday, 11 Aug 2003 19:55)

Vongard may have deep seated issues with concept of a being more powerfully than him/her self. Yes lets enter into
a dicussion.

Who or what is God?

>>By Lurker 623   (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 20:55)

Atheism is quite in vogue amongst Europeans these days.

>>By Obfuscated   (Monday, 25 Feb 2008 18:23)

So is religion, in case you hadn't noticed.

>>By Flagg   (Monday, 25 Feb 2008 19:48)

I think we're all just in the advanced stages of insanity & need something to grasp on to instead of the cold, hard comprehension that we really are just a bunch of leptons floating around in the same habitual quantum state & that nothing of what we really do matters in the blindingly grand scheme of things. Some choose to accept that when we die, we rot in the ground & get eaten eventually by worms. Some of us choose to think that there's some magical mystery god up there in the heavens pulling the strings telling us what is right & what is wrong when most of us can work that one out for ourselves.
We're all mad, just in slightly different ways.
We all have rendered the Egyptian, Roman, Greek gods as mythology: just lies, rumours & fairytales. But give us some guy walking on water 2000 years ago - why not? Why not believe this strange carpenter chap is the son of god - I mean after all, we would believe some bearded polish construction worker if he turned around one day & said "actually guys...."
No, he wouldn't be hurled into the nearest looney bin (sorry - PC term should be Psychiatric Unit). We would believe him just like we would believe a story thats 2000 years old, shrouded in mystery & probably all made up by some Roman illiterate who had a good imagination; either that or Monty Python actually got it right.

Don't ever have an argument with someone who believes in God or is religious. It's like scratching a point in the depths of your ear that you'll never reach - sure it might go away in a few minutes, but you'll never get to it.

Basically, what I think, is that the only difference between a cult & a religion is a couple of hundred years. Give it a thousand & Harry Potter will be the next Jesus Christ.

>>By Tchock   (Monday, 25 Feb 2008 23:33)

So what did God write? I didn't realise He was an author.

>>By Flagg   (Monday, 25 Feb 2008 23:54)

Oh I haven't published anything yet.... still writing the masterpiece....

>>By Tchock   (Tuesday, 26 Feb 2008 00:34)

From Father Ted... Tentacles of Doom where a bishop is talking to Dougal....

"So Father, do you ever have any doubts about the religious life? Is your faith ever tested? Anything you've been worrying about? Any doubts you've been having about any aspects of belief, anything like that?"

"Well, you know the way god made us all right & he's looking down on us from heaven & everything & then his son came down & saved everyone & all that & when we die we're all going to go to heaven?"

"Yes? What about it?"

"Well, that's the bit I've trouble with..."

>>By Tchock   (Tuesday, 26 Feb 2008 01:18)

I wasn't aware that god had hands to write with...let alone a publisher! But I guess it would make sense that the common conception of god would include a set of hands. Afterall, most history is full of gods who mysteriously resemble his believers in almost every way. It's odd that since the antrhopological spread across the globe, most people still haven't figured out that the likely explanation for such gods is cultural, not factual.

Tchock....You wonder where a human might find meaning or purpose in a universe that appears to be completely devoid of such qualities. That is the overused argument for theologians-expecting us to agree that a moral code is impossible to establish in the absence of an authoritative figure. If god doesn't exist, then how can we know what good and bad, right and wrong means? Of course, level headed people like yourself know that a human can usually develop a sense of right and wrong without much help, save from other humans. Humanism is just one of many examples. I am a firm believer that we can found an ethos based on scientific understanding, coupled with our own ambitions as humans. For example, when it comes to deciding which organisms on Earth are worthy of protective rights, we can always rely on science to help us determine how to set our standards. If our desire is to protect any organism that is sentient, with the ability to feel, think, and suffer, then we will surely be able, eventually, to classify all known animals accordingly. Naturally, this will be a large task, but what choice do we have? It sure beats a fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants moral code, that proposes to let idiots who think they are god's instruments to make their ambiguous decisions, never beholden to objective standards. Morality is what we make it, but that doesn't mean we cannot establish principles to guide us. And those principles, whether we like it or not, will always be by our measure, and not some fanciful god's.

>>By Hume Ungus   (Friday, 6 Jun 2008 21:59)

I've yet to see the proof of a god. I still think one exists, just not the way most humans imagine it.

>>By Delgado Rock   (Saturday, 7 Jun 2008 02:29)

There is always the Judea/Christian/Mulsim description of god, as an intervening type-able to delve into the lives of people, suspend the laws of physics, judge, and the like. This kind of god, to anyone who invests a moments thought, is absolutely illogical and unsupported by any kind of evidence. It is a faith-only belief, that continues on in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The other kind of god is an Einsteinian god, which is interchangeable with the term "nature." Einstein, and most intellectuals, if they do talk of god, speak of it meaning only in the sense that we talk about the laws of physics. No intervention, no miracles, hell, no thought at all. The concept is called Pantheism, as Spinoza called it, and is much more in-line with scientific understanding. Some atheists prefer to not even go this far, but prefer to banish the term "god" altogether, as it brings with it too much misunderstanding and rhetoric. Religious people often misquote great thinkers like Einstein or Stephen Hawking, attempting to validate their positions by saying, "look, even this brilliant thinker believes in god!" But if they were honest, they would have to admit that Hawking's idea of god flies in the face of any religious notion. But we shouldn't hold our breath in anticipation of honesty from those types. They will misuse anything they can get their hands on.

If you look up my profile, you will find a great link to a Pantheist website, which helps to explain some of the founding principles, leading thinkers in the field, and critical examinations of theology. I recommend it.

>>By Hume Ungus   (Saturday, 7 Jun 2008 22:06)

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