Charles Bukowski
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Al: I love you Al. I'm sure it was difficult to respond to Noname's borderline-psychotic venom only using the word "bullshit" four times. Or was it five?
Noname: I don't think we are going to be able to be friends anymore.
Flork moderator: My not not cutting loose on Noname (it took super-human strength) for his whacked-out posting should more than make up for that thing I posted about Bon-Jovi. We are even now, yes?
>>By Seward3 (Thursday, 29 Jan 2004 04:14)
Al, please don't take my posts personally. And Seward3, is not a nice cabin in Vail a better place than under a pine tree? Al, your writing doesn't do your anger justice, I need more, let it rip baby, get it out. Faun, I know you are not a simpleton, let's not post like one.
>>By noname1 (Thursday, 29 Jan 2004 05:09)
And Seward3, is not a nice cabin in Vail a better place than under a pine tree?>>
Are you inviting me out to your place, man? Is it a funky cabin like the one Hunter Thompson has in Aspen? I hate to leave my pine tree with no one to care for the squirrels, but could possibly make the trip. Maybe you could hook me up with a vacant, puritanical, spoiled and soft ski-babe. Preferably one who spends perverse amounts of money on all the new sexy ski-styles, is a rascist Bush supporter, and watches plenty of TV. I met some babes like this in Breckenridge and Snowmass and even Denver. Not too many babes like this in Boulder though. Got to avoid Boulder- too many free-thinking enthusiasts. I don't know. You got any daughters, man?
(Just kidding about the daughters thing. I never make fun of a guy's moms and daughters and stuff, except when I think it's really funny.)
>>By Seward3 (Thursday, 29 Jan 2004 12:43)
noname1: forme to not take your posts personally, you would need to stop attacking people personally with your childish generailizations.
I am actually going to try and stayu out of this discussion (probably won't work),
What I find totally immature in your love of "great" literature is that in your immature understanding of literature you find only certain kinds of stories and life experience worthy. Great literature encompasses all of the human experience, our fruits as well as our waste. The simple fact that you cannot understand that (repeat...I do not say LIKE that) is proof that you have a limited, twisted understanding of the range human experience worth from which we can learn and, yes, even find some beauty!
Not everyone in this world who can write lived a life that makes one cry for joy. The learning is in the reading...try it sometime. I can't ever remember someone as abjectly biased. Who are you? The book Nazi? I can't remember NOT trying to read something someone says is good. Most of the time...even when I hate it...I can see and learn from the writing. Tryi it you'll like it!
As for needing more anger in my writing to satisfy your need to feel superior to me and others here, forget it. I shouldn't have let your generalizations affect me. Why are you here? It certainly isn';t to discuss literature. You pend your time telling us what idiots and losere we must be.
Get a life...go "discuss" literature with other like minded souls. If you really wantto have a why I don't like Bukowksi discussion, I suggest yo read a bit more and then point out the flaws (of which there are many) that are not about social standing or your morality. Take the plastic bag off your head and let some oxygen in.
Seward3: Hope hte moderator doesn't bounce me the hell out of here, but a thorough reading of the thread that the first flames were thrown by our literarry genius of overstated generalities.
Al
>>By Al C (Thursday, 29 Jan 2004 12:57)
Seward3, have you been to the doktors? Anyways I think we both would agree some other posters here could use a little Sundance Amber Ale with in a mason jar with some steak seasoning thrown in. yes? Al needs a little spice, he needs to let it OUT. I can't say enough about this beer. However , with The specific writer in question, I believe content here does matter. Poe was a degenerate, he still had imagination. Bukowski is ,well, redundant. I guess it is appropriate that america's next great writer was an alcoholic whose brain was fried by drink, much like mine is presently.
>>By noname1 (Friday, 30 Jan 2004 07:02)
Bukowski has written some beautiful stuff, ripe with images and filled with emotion...and the images and emotions are not all about being drunk or bad women or bad men or wacking off.
Fired by drink is not such a bad thing...a little herb is good as well.
>>By Al C (Friday, 30 Jan 2004 11:11)
This is what I love about this place- I never know what to expect. One minute everybody's fighting, and I turn my back for a minute and you guys are getting loaded together. It reminds me of those poems by that one guy, whatisname, Bukaki or something.
You put steak sauce in your beers Noname? That must make for righteous morning beer-shits.
>>By Seward3 (Friday, 30 Jan 2004 12:49)
Ah...seward3...you know Buk...he'd bega drink from a guy he argued with and then fight in the back alley later.
>>By Al C (Friday, 30 Jan 2004 22:17)
Y'know, that's what I really love about Buk. You don't need to be in a bar,
to be in a bar. Maybe it's just my chequered past, but I know people
like him. There was a study of Pittsburg ironworkers that I came upon
once, that said that that a disproportionate amount of them were
considered to be geniuses-they also happened to be alcoholics. Why?
Because there was no creative outlet for them. Say what you will, but
Buk was a genius, and he found his niche. And maybe it was just about
writing about his everyday existence, but doesn't that define what makes
a poet a poet? And it's not so much about what he wrote, but how he
wrote. He elevated the depraved, the forgottens, the down-and-outers.
The ones that no one ever thinks about. That in itself should earn him
recognition. Love him or hate him, you have to give him props for that.
Peace out.
>>By Faun (Thursday, 5 Feb 2004 04:33)
Forget the bible, the koran, the torah, or the bhagavad gita. Read Bukowski!!
>>By procrastinator (Friday, 13 Feb 2004 20:17)
i just finished "women", and i must say it's my favourite buk book.
i've read 3 or four others, but this one had something different, i don't know, heart.
it reminded me of "Big Sur" a bit, but not as harrowing. human.
i loved it!
>>By skinnyarms (Saturday, 4 Sep 2004 17:50)
i agree. . .women has been one of my favorite books for as long as i can remember. . .
bukowski is intensely histerical and brutally honest. . .everything that i expect from a great writer. . .
>>By drowninginflame (Tuesday, 14 Sep 2004 20:43)
I've only ever read Sifting through the madness... and I loved it.
>>By OpheliasViolets (Tuesday, 21 Sep 2004 20:33)
I love his work, but ive only read Post office and Ham on Rye. I also love his poetry, anyone got any fave poems of him for me to read?
>>By Christi (Sunday, 26 Sep 2004 12:57)
I've read only Women...it's a nice book although even that a bit masculist...
What i like in Bukowski??? Being real and writing in a perfect strategy about everything that comes up in his mind...it looks sometimes that he slides sometimes while narrating...but this is his style, I suppose...
>>By Felina (Monday, 27 Sep 2004 14:01)
crying with 'ham on rye' ..
>>By krieg (Tuesday, 5 Oct 2004 16:46)
He's just a very very very very average poet/writer.... And a wannabe BEATNIK. :) Read all the Ginsberg you people, drop shit Bukowski!
>>By hadji baba (Saturday, 12 Mar 2005 00:50)
Charles Bukowski will be a forgotton piece of mortal waste like us all, the sooner the better. He will be a fad in europe and then fizz out like his brain did. Yes, we drink, and we screw, but do we need to read about this. Just go to a town bar, find the local drunk, and let him talk....its like reading a Bukowski story anyways. Bukowski permeates us all through the stench of a drunk 50 ish man who has nothing better to do than sit at the local bar and get hammered day after day. The end result is the same....death and the sooner the better. Then there is always another drunk who will fill the shoes of the previous. To me there is nothing worse than a philosophical conversation between two men who imbibe too much. cesspool. Have another draft...bartender, give the drunk another.
>>By noname1 (Monday, 29 Aug 2005 04:21)
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