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>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 28 Feb 2004 18:35)
Have read the NZ Published paperback of Soldier Five. It can be purchased on the net via www.realgroovy.co.nz at $NZ34.95 I think.
Coburn's book exposes the inadequacy of the research and preparations that preceded their infil, what actually went down back at base and the decisions the hierarchy made when the patrol were known to be in difficulties. The various interviews with the media whilst Coburn was here in New Zealand recently have result in several newspaper/television/radio articles and his sincerity in wanting the true story told has been very clear. He writes very well, no ghost writer, but says he doesn't plan any more books.
>>By PAULL (Sunday, 29 Feb 2004 10:16)
Thank you, PAULL, and welcome...
Nice to meet you, but I must say you've got me even greener and very curious -- How recently (or long ago) did you read Soldier Five? How long has it been available in NZ? (realgroovy.co link doesn't indicate when published) Amazon.uk has a publication date of March 4 and started shipping pre-ordered copies on Feb 28. Is it safe to assume you've read both B20 and TOTGA also? Have you read the rest of AM's books, too? (and CR's?) :o)
Welcome back, Alice!!!!
Gosh, it's been quite a while. Hope you've been quietly following cuz otherwise you're gonna be reading up a storm... ooh, wait... if you have been following, you've been doing that anyway... hahahaha! Very nice to have you back! So fill us in on where you've been! :o)
Welcome, Grannymush...
Glad you found us and happy to meet you. SOP's usually include asking which AM books you've read but you already anticipated that one! In addition to Asher's TRB20, have you read TOTGA? And do you plan on reading Soldier Five? :o)
Hi, All...
Grannymush's post reminded me that new folks here (lurking or vocal) may not know about the special "spoiler" feature MG (our host) designed for us to help get around posting comments that give away key or critical elements of stories. Typing < spoiler > [without spaces!] at the beginning of a comment and </ spoiler > [without spaces!] at the end will hide any sensitive info which others may not want to read/know yet. You can test drive this feature by going to a "practice" messageboard called "text formatting" (look for it same as you would look for an Author). Here's what you'll see when you post a spoiler:
This is message-posting feature is definitely: NEED TO KNOW. :o)
Considering Soldier Five may soon be in my impatient little hands, I'm using this as an excuse to get some practice in on this covert technique... hahaha! {{Now let's see, if they mailed it yesterday but it sits in a bin until Monday, and it gets to the airport by Tuesday, a day to get to the US.... Grrrr! I hate waiting! Why isn't it next week yet?}}
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 29 Feb 2004 14:42)
LOL! Typo-man strikes again! Well, at least it's hidden in my spoiler! Hahaha!!!
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 29 Feb 2004 14:46)
The documentary (SAS) the show on Dutch tv is nice, seen 2nd episode now. The translator needs spanking though... for translating Hereford into... Herriford ... LOL !!! :o))))
B20 is being elucidated by Peter Ratcliffe and Tony Geraghty. Nothing from any member of the team.
Also Lofty Large, who wrote a book called
"Soldier Against the Odds: From Infantry to SAS 1999
By Lofty Large, Andy McNab"
Andy McNab wrote an introduction. Did we ever talk about this book?
Andyway - Lofty would have me hanging on his lips, no clue (of course) what he's like in real life but he can tell stories!!
Great one about leeches and a sling.
Don't know if it's in any of the books, don't remember, but also a funny story about tying people to a railway during selection :o)
And Mac is there too!!
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 29 Feb 2004 21:35)
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/PO0403/S00004.htm
NZ SAS Soldier's Story Told After Years Of Wrangling
SOLDIER FIVE by Mike Coburn
Press Release: Monday, 1 March 2004, 9:37am (NZ)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 04:25)
Sorry, AIB didn't answer your questions. The only books I have read of AM or CR are BT0 and TOTGA, also Micheal Asher The Real BT0.
>>By PAULL (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 10:05)
No probs, PAULL... :o)
Even more curious now tho. Would you care to share your thoughts regarding Asher's version vs Mike Coburn's in Soldier Five? And/or vs AM's and CR's versions?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 10:53)
Well you all missed your chances ladies - it's now march the 1st and not a proposal in sight! Do I get to wear the hat now after that remark?
I picked up a copy of Soldier Five at the Weekend. Had a good browse and saw nothing to set the heather on fire.
Same pictures - some strange pixillation like those sterogram pictures in the background of one or two. Maybe if I started long enough AM would leap out!?
Intro is interesting as it is written by Mal saying that Mike was best to speak on their behalf. Bottom line I think this is just a cynical attempt to cash in and little of substance emerges, but I'd need to read in depth to be sure.
More intersting was the accout of the Sierra Leone op by - 2 Para/SAS v's West sideboys next to S5.
Also picked up a copy of The Magus by John Fowles - but found it a bit beyond me.
All the Ostriches in London have their heads where the sun don't shine readit.
You didn't smell arrogant to me Reginald, you seemed more of a halfwit - being one myself an all.
Talking about science and facts - all you can do is try and compile the evidence and look at it with an open mind.
>>By Nomad (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 11:17)
SBS vs. SAS
Two SAS soldiers boarded a quick shuttle flight out of London, headed for Aberdeen. One sat in the window seat, the other sat in the middle seat.
Just before take-off, An SBS guy got on and took the aisle seat next to the two SAS men. The SBS guy kicked off his boots, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the SAS bloke in the window seat said,"I think I'll get up and get a coke."
"No problem," said the SBS guy, "I'll get it for you." While he was gone, the SAS bloke picked up the SBS guy's boot and spit in it.
When the SBS guy returned with the coke, the other SAS bloke said, "That looks good, I think I'll have one too."
Again, the SBS guy obligingly went to fetch it and while he was gone, the SAS bloke picked up the other boot and spit in it.
The SBS guy returned and they all sat back and enjoyed the short flight to Aberdeen.
As the plane was landing, the SBS guy slipped his feet into his boots and knew immediately what had happened.
"How long must this go on?" the SBS guy asked. "This fighting between our groups? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in boots and pissing in cokes?"
>>By borisette (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 20:23)
Hmmm.... Can SBS guys run that much faster than SAS? LOL!!!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 21:02)
ROFL
Damn funny, borisette!
>>By Dare (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 21:06)
Good point, AIB! :)
>>By Dare (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 21:17)
Found an interesting site (well a friend from flork send it to me)
www.strategypage.com/gallery/
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www.strategypage.com/gallery/
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>>By borisette (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 21:24)
Hello all,
Found this site while googling for some history one day. I'm new to this internet stuff so be gentle with me!
Anyone know anything about the follow up to Dark Winter? Must admit, well shocked at the end but I have to admit it put AM back on top in my book (pardon the pun!!!). DW has to rate alongside Remote Control, Crisis Four and Firewall. Can't help feeling he lost his way a bit with Liberation Day and Last Light . I found those two hard work to read, whereas with the others they've been a joy! Am I right that most of you here are of the fairer (some would say stronger!) sex?
You all seem pretty informed ref: AM. I've flicked through a few pages on this board and it seems it sometimes gets a bit hot!
I'm a placid man these days and I mean it when I say I COME IN PEACE!
>>By The BIG Bossman (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 23:24)
Hi BIG Bossman, you know what they say.. I've you come in peace you'll receive a lot of love.. and since we're ... indeed.. with many of the stronger (oh sheesh) sex you could have a nice time here
(I will not accept the hat for this, just making friends !!!)
You mentioned the Fiction.. what about the non-Fiction.. ??
>>By Lynn (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 23:39)
Welcome Oh thy from Nazareth, Big Bossman.
(sounds more like a wrestlers name to me,...Big show, Brock Lesnar...)
Well then who's your favourite SF - writer? AM, CR or .....DF!!
And how long have you been lurking ...;)
Follow up to DW, haven't got a clue, we've been doing some speculations on the board and many of us think it'll be based in Iraq, as we all know that AM has gone back after the GW2.
So I guess he'll have some stories to tell. So let's wait and see.
>>By borisette (Monday, 1 Mar 2004 23:46)
Borisette, I must admit you look good for 103!!! I got AM-McNab, I got CR-Ryan. Who is DF?
Hello Lynn - I enjoyed B20, but from what I've heard it wasn't 100% accurate, but then again, if you asked 100 passengers on th eTitanic what happened, you'd get a 100 different versions of events, yet the ending is the same. Also it seems that ever since AM went public with his books, some people have been determined to prove him wrong (Asher for one).
GW1 happened almost 15 years ago and it's something I for one wish to forget. Time warps the truth so I don't see the point in trying to prove how events actually happened. I enjoy a good FICTION book these days and happen to think AM is a very good author - regardless of the accuracy of his non-fiction work.
By the way, (and yes I know I am totally contradicting myself here!) haven't read Soldier 5 yet. Didn't know it had been given the green light by the MOD? Anyone read it? Any good? Any real clashes with AM's version of B20?
>>By 27091974 (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 00:01)
Sorry BIG BOSSMAN, didn't mean to ignore you there! I'm sure there was a wrestler called BIG BOSSMAN in WWF a few years ago???? DOn't remember him looking like your pic though!! What's your view on AM's non-fiction?
>>By 27091974 (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 00:05)
27091974,....DF,DF you don't know who DF is..........I think I'm gonna faint........Duncan Falconer.....SBS/First into ACtion.
Someone please give me some smelling -salts,
As for Soldier 5, still has to come out here In little Europe, only place you can find it now i guess would be NZ. As nomad said, doesn't seem much different from the other 2 books, same pics some story, and as you said, different point of view too.
Good to see ther'sanother Wrestler - knower out there.
WWF there were the Bossmen, two bold horrible loooking men who lifted their arms and had a smell at their armpits, yek.
>Am is a good author, regardless of the accuracy of his non-fiction work> so explain, what do you mean with that?
Anyway how did you find this board, and what other AM or SF books have you read.
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 00:27)
All good things come in pairs.. hello and welcome 27091974 too!
So to you the question.. did you read the non-fiction ?
We also talked about truths in B20 many times and the people who were there won't even tell the same story, so how are people who weren't there be able to judge what's right and what's wrong.
I've ordered Soldier Five, but it will take a while before it gets here.
How did you find us? Care to share?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 00:29)
Ooops, TZ Borisette.. never mind... better ask twice.. ;o))
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 00:31)
ah shucks.... not one but TWO newcomers on the same day! Well I'll be damned... and what a nice day it is to arrive. A balmy 68 degrees in my hometown and spring is in the air.
Hey Big Bossman! Are you my long-lost brother? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something about you I like...
27091974: Interesting name... you wouldn't by any chance be a Libra?
Welcome folks! We're glad you're here.
>>By Majorette (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 01:17)
27091974, forget the question " So to you the question.. did you read the non-fiction ?" (that's what happens if I post after twelve)
You did read the non-fiction, new Q: which, which is favorite, what did you think of DarkWinter (if read yet) since we have different opinions on board.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 09:36)
Nice to meet you both Big Bossman and 27091974.
I'm not of the fairer or the stronger sex, but if your nice to me we'll rub along nicely.
>>By Nomad (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 10:27)
Two by Two and all that, were vital to Noah's campaign...
Dare I say welcome TBB & 270 - seeing as the Merry Gardener has a penchant for locking me up inthe garden shed and banning me from blowing balloons on party days...
TBB, will go with you on the LL/LB (not a difficult read by any means just a bit yawn yawn), but Crisis Four, yeah, hot reading.....DW, didn't quite have that zest appeal, despite sour taste ending...
Anyhow, back to Nomad's comment "West Side Boys", which brought back memories of childhood and "Mao Mao" atrocities in Kenya...
RE: Nomad's ref to "West Side Boys" in Sierra Leone.
<<Hidden in a dense jungle thicket with a long-range listening device, the sAS trooper could hear but not see what was happening in the rebel camp. He clutched his headphones. "Hold on! I think the bastards are going to top one our boys." It was time to order the attack.
Above excerpt from: Operation Certain Death by Damien Lewis...Due for release Monday 1st March 2004... >>
The mission was to rescue six British soldiers held hostage by the notorious West Side Boys, a guerrilla gang with a penchant for fluorescent wigs and voodoo charms, who stuck enemy heads on poles, and committed other unmentionable acts involving unborn children and pregnant women "sex the child" ...Historically they are descendents of the freed slaves who returned to Africa and set up Freetown, their angst against the British & UN troops, that of interferring in Sierra Leone's Civil War. They threatened to do a "Somalia" on the british troops - similar to the Black Hawk Down incident where American troops were dragged through the streets etc, only with the West Side Boys it would have been much worse - head on pikes paraded while boddies fed in pieces to dogs...
The British rescue attempt involved the Paras, the Special Boat Squadron (SBS), the navy and the Raf, spearheaded by the SAS. Because of the traditional secrecy surrounding special forces operations, the authorities have been reticent about this story, but it is one the men want told...It is a story not just of the rescuers, but that of the hostages who went through a 17-day ordeal expecting to be killed at any moment...
Re comments that AM will go the Iraq route post DW, I think (personal like) that would be a mistake, and imply all his books are carthartic related despite his denials otherwise...After all, the return trip wouldn't exactly have been a trip down Memory Lane in the happy sense of the word nostalgic....
Re Soldier 5 - quite funny really - it being publlished in Scotland, and the old saying: got away with it Scot Free...Scottish law differs from English law in many ways, and for simplication example of such: if you're up to your eyeballs in debt, hit on over the border to live, and when and if a debt collector catches up with you it becomes too complicated for the debt collection agencies to get you to cough up the brass you owe to English companies...
Hey, MG dodger - will get back to you...Ha, ha, we could have ended up locked in the shed together...Imagine what we might have conjured between us if that had happened...
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 10:58)
Devy : interesting the Damien Lewis excerpt you've put it,.....will look for it in some near future (still got to finish some other books first)
Didn't know that Scottish law was so different from the English law, but hey that's good, now I know where to hide.
Nomad make some room under that bush, now I know why you're hiding out there in the Scottish highlands, laddie!
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 12:52)
I've paid all my taxes Borrisette, well apart from poll tax.
Thanks for the Sierra Leone excerpt DW. Glad you got out of the shed. Did you see Bill and Ben and little Weed in there flobba dob a dob?
As I read on the dust sheet - a spokesman for the paras involved in the OP said "The West Side Boys are F...F........flippin' history"
Is this true?
>>By Nomad (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 13:59)
Dev, I did find:
Operation Certain Death
" Described as Blackhawk Down meets Ghost Soldiers this book chronicles the story of the single most daring Special Forces operation since World War Two - Operation Barras; the attempted rescue by the SAS of the British Forces who were being held captive by the guerrilla gang the West Side Boys in the Sierra Leone jungle"
"Funny" enough I also found a SAS site - which in this case is the Sudanese American Society - with a review about:
DAMIEN LEWIS, SUDAN AND 'DEATH IN THE AIR': A CASE STUDY IN IRRESPONSIBLE TELEVISION
'Death in the Air' was made in the course of 1999 by British film-maker Damien Lewis. This 27-minute long programme claimed to be an investigation of the use of chemical weapons within southern Sudan by Government of Sudan forces.(....) Given that in reality Lewis was demonstrably unable to produce a shred
of evidence to substantiate a single one of his claims, 'Death in the
Air' is perhaps no better example of irresponsible, sensationalist
television journalism regarding Sudan (with the possible exception of
Lewis's other material on Sudan, programmes such as his 1998 'Exporting Evil: Saddam's Hidden Weapons' (1) ).
Loooong article
http://www.sasociety.com/archive/801lewis.htm
Question.. is this the same Damien Lewis? And if yes, next Q - any truth in the article? which leads to 'how accurate is Operation Certain Death?'
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 15:20)
Welcome, Big Bossman....
Absolutely love your profile picture; the resemblance is unbelievable! :o)
<< I've flicked through a few pages on this board and it seems it sometimes gets a bit hot! >> Ooops! you noticed that too?!? [[Whispered: Maybe it's all the strong soldiery-men-stuff men and strong soldiery-men-stuff-struck women -- sorta hormones vs/and/or pheromones... LOL!]]
Welcome, 27091974...
Very nice to meet you. You asked if anyone's read Soldier Five yet. So far, it seems only PAULL has read it but he had unfair advantage over the rest of us [[whispered: He has direct New Zealand connections, you know!]] Several here have order it from Amazon.uk and are (im)patiently awaiting the postman's delivery... :o\
Uh-oh, Borisette...
The SBS stuff I can understand, even more so now that Duncan's First into Action finally arrived yesterday afternoon! Talk about Slow Boat Shipping -- the post date was 5 Jan 2004. But I dunno about this WWF stuff... isn't there enough wild wrestling here for you? LOL!
Eeer, Nomad...
<< but if your nice to me >>
This is more than just some phase you're going thru, isn't it? Hahaha! Just don't let Reggie section you tho cuz I'm enjoying you too much! :oD
Good stuff, Devonwren and Lynn...
Thanks muchly for all the info (...plus it's nice having company in Obsessive Compulsive Research world...) VBG!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 19:12)
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