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Discussion: Jack The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate indicates "with high confidence" that any Iranian nuclear weapons program was halted by late 2003. Cheney was livid :)))) >>By planet ear National Intelligence Estimate??? And that is??? Off the record OR officialrelease?? >>By lv2read Official release. Google it. >>By planet ear i'm sorry to intrude on your discussion here. . .but i'm appalled at lv2read's use of the phrase 'bad guys' in reference to Iran. . . i'm an american. . .and i'm proud to be an american. . .but i refuse to be an ignorant american! lv2read. . .before you label a country, with a population of over 65 million, 'bad guys' maybe you should try looking at the united states from a different point of view. . . -spanish-american war, 1898 -phillipine-american war, 1899 -korea, 1950-1953 -dominican republic, 1965 -vietnam, 1964-1973 -lebanon, 1982-1983 -grenada, 1983 -libya, 1986 -panama, 1989 -iraq, 1991 -kosovo, 1999 -afghanistan, 2001-? -iraq, 2003-? these are just a few places to start. . .since you love to read and all. . .maybe you should read more into the reasons for our presence in all of these countries. . . try to look at america from the view of the people living in those countries. . . glass houses. . . stones. . . you see where i'm going with this. >>By drowninginflame and please. . . don't get me started on israel. >>By drowninginflame Welcome to Jack drowning!... A board where you get to see the damage inflicted on the human psyche but a lifetime of exposure to, and collusion with the mythology, aims and ambitions of the American right.! >>By planet ear Jack... drowning... yep, sadly, in a sea of persistent insults and enmity Or maybe this forum is just a micro example of the macro world -- where it is always easier to start a war than to end it. Wishing peace and good will to all. :) >>By wivoutadoubt If someone ends the war on Jack I will eat the plastic christmas tree standing to my right. And post photos. >>By Flagg If the present state of Jack affairs is war I don't expect Flagg's digestive system to suffer much anytime soon :))) >>By planet ear It's a cold war. Come in out of the cold, everyone. Toast marshmallows on the log fire of apathy. >>By Flagg And now for something completely different......? >>By Tchock A man with three testicles? >>By Flagg my armpits smell? >>By drowninginflame well they don't smell. . .they stink. . .but i can smell them. . .and it's not pretty. >>By drowninginflame Hmmmmmmmm........ Which Jack was that? >>By Windwoodtrader Deaf Ear. No nuclear program in Iran?? National intelligence? Does the BBC chronicle Iran's exploits.... Did you imply that Cheney did not know what he was talking about? How sure are you now? You can do better. >>By lv2read You, like Cheney, have shares in Halliburton? >>By planet ear Deaf Ear, Pssssat! The Iranian party hacks are the bad guys. Discordant music is one thing--discordant logic is quite another. >>By lv2read Oh, that time of year again, is it? >>By Tchock Perhaps Scott Ritter's comments on the 30th Sept 2009 failed to make it on to Fox news? NEW YORK - Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter warned Tuesday against the “politically motivated hype” over Iran’s nuclear program. "The Obama administration has come to a preordained conclusion that there’s nothing that can be done about Iran’s nuclear program, that Iran either has to get rid of it all, or there’s nothing to discuss about. That’s not much of a discussion," "Here we are condemning Iran for doing its job, declaring a facility, inviting inspectors in. And the conclusion it’s reached from this? That they’re producing nuclear weapons," said Ritter. "This is politically motivated hype designed to create a situation this coming Thursday that will find the United States unable to reach any sort of agreement with Iran about its nuclear program," he added. Ritter, former UN weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991-1998, is author of Target Iran. "Even if Iran produces this new facility, which, by the way, is not in operation and won’t be in operation for over a year, no nuclear material has been diverted, there still is a full material balance, and the IAEA is in complete control of the situation. Iran is not in violation," explained Ritter. "This is much ado about nothing. But again, we come back to the original premise: this is about political hype, the United States hyping up a capability in Iran which doesn’t exist, and that is the capability to produce nuclear weapons," Ritter added. Ritter explained the vital Iranian need for nuclear energy. The Iranians "strategically require an additional source of energy, such as nuclear energy" to supplement their domestic energy usage so that they free up their oil production and gas production for exportation, so they can earn money. "This is a big deal. This isn’t insignificant," explained Ritter. However, Israel and the United States say they want to bomb Iranian nuclear facility, prompting Tehran to react. "The first thing you do is you build redundancy, and that’s what this new Qom facility represents. It’s redundancy. It’s a backup to the Natanz primary facility. Again, it’s been declared, no nuclear material has been diverted. But it’s there as a backup. The second thing you do is you fire off missiles in a warning that you have an inherent right and capability of self-defense," said Ritter. Israel has launched a massive air exercise last year, in which it demonstrated the ability to fly hundreds of aircraft the distance necessary to strike targets in Iran. The United States is also carrying out exercises with Israel. "The bottom line is it’s the United States and Israel which are the more aggressive of the players here. Iran is not an aggressor. Iran has not attacked anybody. Iran is simply trying to do that which it is legally allowed to do: produce enriched uranium for the purposes of nuclear power," said Ritter. "It’s Israel, which, by the way, is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, claims it will never be a signatory and has a massive nuclear weapons capability—it’s Israel and the United States which are creating a crisis out of nothing," he added. >>By planet ear The Iranian regime is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. What more do you need to know? Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors..where have you been? >>By lv2read Oh... that's some form of ironic self parody surely? Silly me, I nearly took it seriously. Glad to see how participation on this international forum board is educating you out of your near-neanderthal previously-held world view. :) >>By planet ear Israel is OUR ally and we are honor bound to protect it.....as YOU know. What is Neanderthal is your reluctance to take Iran seriously. They ain't going away...with the UK and the US as their protector. Where have YOU been? >>By lv2read correction....with the UK and US as Israel's protector..... >>By lv2read Usual bull lv2 change the record pleeeeeeease....My country and indeed yours are honour-bound to seek Israeli compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 242. I suggest you go read it. >>By planet ear So you do not believe that Iran and Hamasd are dedicated to the destruction of Israel? Interesting. Are fellow Brits equally confused? Being surrounded by hostile neighbors might be provocative--you think? >>By lv2read When you've read un security council resolution 242 come back and tell the class what you've found. >>By planet ear I waited OVER a year, though I promised only one. And I see Planet Ear is still an Iranian apologist. Let me clue you in on something, dude...The fact that Israel is not always the peaceful nation we wish it was, doesn't mean Iran somehow is benevolent simply because they oppose Israel. Israel doesn't support terrorists, and though the country is composed mainly of religious fanatics, they're not nearly as dangerous to the rest of the world as Muslims are. Unless...Have Jews flown planes into skyscrapers and I somehow missed it? The funniest part to me is that you're such an obvious pussy, you'd be shunned and probably executed if you lived in the Muslim world you seem to admire. As for resolution 242, I don't see anything in there about fuckers coming over the border and blowing up women and children. Israel is defending itself, and though people like you prefer to surrender at the drop of a hat, you should try to see the viewpoint of someone who would like to get on a bus and go to work without the fear of dying. I suggest Planet Ear spend some time in Iran, play his music, make his views known, and see how that works out. I'll look forward to the beheading video. >>By 1690 1690? JJ I think? Either way ..... if you want to display your ignorance and illogical thought processes to readers that's your call... can't see how I can stop you. >>By planet ear Ear, You can not get off this easily. What does Ritter say about Iran's sponsorship of international terrorists? >>By lv2read
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