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>>>I repeat, the Earth is on the cusp of an Interstitial Ice Age
When did you say it before? Making it up as you're going along again? ;)
Rising temps and rising greenhouse gas concerntration are an observed fact. Square it with your theory yourself.
>>By planet ear (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 05:23)
PE
Rising temps and rising greenhouse gas concerntration are an observed fact. Square it with your theory yourself.>>>
The existence of the Interstitial Ice Age is not a theory, but an observed fact...nothing to defend. What is not a fact are the conclusions reached regarding the 1/2 of a degree observed increase in this or that. What is preposterous is the projection that existing land masses will be severly breached within 20 years.
My comment re the Ice Age was previously made.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 16:17)
>>>>My comment re the Ice Age was previously made.
When? Just the date and time please? ;)
The existence of a phenonenon does not imply a certain state currently. Halleys comet certainly exists but I'm not expecting it to appear in our skys to the unaided eye tomorrow. Must you always be so predictably facile?
I suggest you take up the matter with the Sir Nicholas Stern, or the Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Govt who I have also heard in discussion describe the evidence of climate change as extremely robust.
I am not going to argue about established facts for the present, you are clearly in denial, and the patient has to want to change.
>>By planet ear (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 19:35)
>>>>My comment re the Ice Age was previously made.
When? Just the date and time please? ;)>>>
Monday, December 4th
....denial?? Can you discuss things civilly?? Without invective?? Evidently not!! No one is propping you up now....just you and me....no place to go....again, how would you like to communicate....and,yes, I'll trump your absurdity each and every time. While your trash talk may entertain The Gang, there are others questioning your competency. Perhaps the artsy elite should stay in their scrubby section of town, and leave business and politics to more mature souls. May I summarize things that confirm you immaturity:
1. There are no slums in Liverpool......Deaf Ear YOU are in denial.
2. Lenin wasn't so bad.....Deaf Ear THAT is just plain CRAZY. But to the artsy elite and their infatuation with Socialism...you'd NEVER understand how brutal he was. Hint: He was one of the bad guys.
I can go on and on and you begin to sound (and act) like The Kid.
Would you like to communicate without incvective? And, if so, would like to sling an 'unanswered arrow?'
>>By lv2read (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 20:38)
Monday 4th of December is when you claimed you were repeating your comment and I noted you'd I couldn't recall you having mentioned it before.
Those "points" only serve to prove your fundamental dishonesty lv2bs,
1)I have never commented one way or another on Liverpudlian slums (because clearly it depends on ones definition of a slum and is really rather trivial)
2) I have never commented on Lenin.
I have said I think 3 times that I'm prepared to discuss points I make on occasion but I'm not interested in defending positions I didn't take.
Are your intellectual abilities so weak you have to make up fallacious points to accuse me of making to attack me? Cleary it would seem so.
You've lost every argument we've ever had lv2bs. Try being a bit more gracious in defeat and you'll earn more respect.
>>By planet ear (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 22:13)
I'd like to add an objective comment--"objective" because I hate everyone equally ; ).
While Lynn's 20-year doomsday theory is not, in the opinion of most respected climate scientists, credible, L2R's insistence that the fact of natural climate changes makes irrelevant man's own contribution to global warming is equally thoughtless.
The current best guess is that we could see sea levels rise by up to 35 inches by the end of this century, which to me is scary enough. I get the impression that both Lynn and L2R are getting their information from sources with an agenda.
Regardless, one would have to be oblivious to modern research to think that our greenhouse-gas emissions are not having an effect and will not continue to have an exponentially-increasing effect on the Earth's climate.
I would add, I read back and can't find PE defending Lenin or Stalin, so I will step up and defend them both, thusly:
Lenin looks good on large-scale murals, nice jawline and all that. And Stalin--well, he killed a bunch of Russians, which I think even Amnesty International accepts as being kind of okay.
Peace.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 22:48)
LOL JJ :)
>which I think even Amnesty International accepts as being kind of okay.
That might only be the Newport Beach branch ;)
>>By planet ear (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 00:08)
PE
>>>>My comment re the Ice Age was previously made.
When? Just the date and time please? ;)>>>
Point taken....clarification. Monday, December 4th at 01:10.
Does that qualify as previously made??
....brought up on three separate posts.
JJ
I agree that the 'civilized' world has been very wasteful with its natural resources, and abusive of the air above. Technology, I believe, will resolve this challenge. I believe the profound changes will come from three areas:
Rush hour traffic snarles abated by people working from home. A 10% reduction in traffic would eliminate the need for carpool lanes!!!
Checking population growth....maybe not in the way the Communist Chinese have done it, but something equally effective.
And 0 emission cars will be available long before 35 years. America will design cars with a 350-400 mile cruising range, top speed of 140+ mph, horsepower rating of 325-500 bhp, room for 6, and recharging/refueling costs negligable. There are many, many, many more cars in America's future and the good news is they will be muscle cars and environmentally friendly.
>>By lv2read (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 01:49)
JJ,
>> While Lynn's 20-year doomsday theory is not, in the opinion of most respected climate scientists, credible..
Don't recall '20' being mentioned, I did say it's already happening and if we don't change our world quickly it will have very serious consequences in the years to come - not just for far away countries but right 'here'. Which respected climate scientists are you referring to? Names please?
Any discussions going on here btw?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 12:57)
Am I alone in wondering whether lv2rd thinks he is a technology prophet with a white beard and trusty staff and SUV car keys, fighting global climate change through sheer belief alone, whilst simultaneously driving a gas-guzzler content that having pronounced his beliefs he won't contribute to putting a chunk of Bangladesh/NewOrleans/East Anglia/Holland underwater any time soon? Either that or he doesn't give a fuck anyway as he's invested in higher elevation real estate? ;)
C'mom lv2rd if you want respect give us facts! Who is seriously working on such a vehicle? What is their budget? How is it going to fuelled? How will your govt incentivise take up on this technology? If you want respect treat us like the intelligent adults we are! Yes homeworking a good idea... so you have business how many employees of your work from home? Prove it's a serious workable policy and you'll get some kudos!
As an aside I think you're gonna have some trouble convincing ppl in a democracy to regulate their number of offspring. How do you propose to do that? What sanctions can be employed to restrict population growth? Put some meat on it! How you gonna convince the Catholics and Earth Mothers? Not made up on the spur of the moment guesstimates you have previously called "facts"! And anyway ppl themselves aren't really the problem it's their transport, the industries they work in, their consumer profile..... these are the real issues surely?
>>By planet ear (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 17:30)
PE
Population growth needs to be curbed.
When people work from home, M-F driving will be curtailed drastically. And when people shop from home, even greater reductions will be had.
0 emission cars are definitely in the future....which is great because there are many, many more cars in the future.
<<<How you gonna convince the Catholics....>>>>
It's about as hard as convincing the artsy elite like yourself of the limitless advances in technology which lie just beyond the horizon...key word 'limitless.'
Lynn
Solutions that are acceptable in Holland may not 'work' in China, Japan or Peru. To solve the problem, a workable plan must suit ALL nations, industrialized or not, modern or archaic, time warped or contemporary. Nothing drastic will be happening in your or my lifetime. Climate change is not measured in centuries, but millenia (sp??).
Are we, or are we not entering an Ice Age. And doesn't an Ice Age mean 'cooler' tenperatures?
>>By lv2read (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 19:39)
0 emission cars are comoplete and utter drivel. Even solar-powered vehicles are still going to produce greenhouse gases during manufacture. Limits to technology are ever-present in the laws of physics lv2bs.....
Greenhouse gases are at their highest sustained levels since life emerged on this planet. Any notion that some observation of previous cycles of Ice Ages will continue unabated or unaffected by this deserves considerable scepticism. Regardless of that we've still to see your reputable sources for that assertion. Facts not bullshit please lv2....
>>By planet ear (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 23:51)
PE
Stick with the discordant music..stay clear of science and technology. To imply that a 0 emission car is implausible is pretty lame in vire of technological accomplishments in the last five years alone.
Human life processes are also polluting. Have you considered gulags (especially in the US) to abate that chakkenge?
Here are concepts that you can run with....
Population growth needs to be checked.
0 emission cars need to be designed and produced before the gas pump runs dry. Give people what they want and they will purchase it!!!
MAJOR TEMP FIX.....Working fromwhile networked to employer will reap a profound impact.
Show us 'some' focus and intelligence here....you can do it.
>>By lv2read (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 03:26)
Lv2bs productions presents another opinion-rich fact-free post, guaranteed not to enlighten anyone ;)
I am fascinated by your advice re music tho....when have you listened to my music to judge it "discordant"? Or is that another example of your arrogance and prejudice flying in the face of good judgement and reason?
>>By planet ear (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 04:04)
PE
We're waiting.....will this help: Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 03:26
Is this easier--the post directly above yours!!! I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt....at least show us some focus---pssst...never mind the other attribute.
>>By lv2read (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 18:55)
Well I'm back. Free from Informatics.
Right, well things have deviated since last week.
Firstly - I believe planet ear has a physics degree ............... which gives his opinion a little more credit
than most of us here concerning science & technology.
Secondly - a 0 emissions car/vehicle/mode of transport is possible. However, it's not going to get made if engineers like lv2read just sit back & let the sci-fi writers talk about it. I think it is possible - but it might just be a bit late in coming & also would take a lot of power (electrical) & investment (which we can afford) to introduce them on a global scale.
Thirdly - hate to say it, but lv2read's right. There ARE far too many people on this planet. (There you go, we BOTH agree with something Stalin & many other of his little men said). But I'm not about to shove them into a Gulag & starve & work them to death. Hmm. I guess we've just got to deal with it. I certainly don't want a society like China's where those who have a second child - the child is literally ripped from their bodies while pregnant. But then again I don't think we should allow post-40 year olds to have IVF treatment in order to have kids..........your clocks run out - accept it - that's one thing we can't do anymore as humans. Accept that we're not going to have something.
Fourthly - yes, lv2read. I was a socialist by the time I hit secondary school. You enter secondary school here in Scotland at age 12/13.
Fifthly - planet ear........ concerning your post on page 31........... well of course not ALL in fact very few religious people blow themselves and/or others up in the name of their chosen "god". I do not associate the few with the many - but then again, I think that all religious people are crazy regardless of whether they want to blow themselves up. Believing in something that's not there is just insane.
Well I think I answered all points.
Oh wait no.
People working from home ???
That won't ever work - and should not.
You want your groceries to be delivered to your door (you said that ordering online would reduce carbon emissions) then someone's gotta a) pack the van b) drive & then you've got all sorts of problems in between those two stages.
Working from home - I don't know about you, but I wouldn't chose to do that. It would drive me crazy - very little human interaction - becoming segregated from the rest of society - stuck inside all the time. Also a lot of careers require working in groups (engineering for instance !!) which you can't do while working from your individual homes.
Working from home is like learning your education from online material only - frustrating, completley pointless, lonely & only liked by the few.
Perhaps you've not noticed - but one of the main reasons of tardiness of buses on the roads is that of the car. If more people were ON the buses instead of in their cars (which they're driving by themselves with no passengers by the way) then you'd take a hell of a lot of cars off the roads & the buses would be a lot more efficient. And pedestrians might even get the chance to cross the road every once & a while.
And another contradiction - more people should shop online?? Ok, but you said just on the last page or the page before that the "californian" way of life is admiring each other's expensive cars (feeling quietly resentful that yours isn't as good) & leering at the plastic female cleavage (ok so that wasn't directly said, but implied). Sod global warming crisis - we DEMAND to whither away our pathetic lives slowly suffocating ourselves in our very own & expensively exclusive ignorance tainted with the fabled familarity of our own self absorbed greed: symbolized in the dirty dollar; our own downfall, our own creation.
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 20:58)
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between cleavage & sod global..............
you said that you like to do that while out at the mall or out of town place............
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 21:01)
Tchock
Immediate results from:
Checking population growth.
Re: women over 40 having a child......you think that that exists in sufficient numbers to be a major component of the problem??
Please tell me that you aren't serious..
>>By lv2read (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 22:30)
No, women having a child over 40 was just an aside......... but don't you think women having children in the first place adds to the problem ??? ;)
So what - you're really going to say "ok, population too big, you're not allowed kids."
The only way you're going to get a delibrate population decrease is if you tell people they can only have one kid or none at all or if you start killing people.
So shall we hand out contraceptives or handguns ??
Or we could just try & control our mindless consuming needs so that we take less from the world & give back more..................or we could just talk endlessly about how great it would be to do that & end up doing nothing at all
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 6 Dec 2006 23:47)
As usual lv2bs you confuse your beliefs and opinions with facts, it's common trap for the the ill-educated, never mind I doubt you'll change now. The only thing that I can see remotely resembling a fact is that people themselves aren't perhaps emission-free. I accept that since clearly the Californian contingent on this board are always emitting bullshit.... ;)
Tchock I trhink you're still stuck on the rather out-dated 19th century theistic view of what constitues religion. I think that's something we might, if you wish, discuss more openly and reasonably off-board. But try thinking of your own dearly-held values and justifying them to a complete cynic and I think you'll see ALL at some level believe in things for which that we cannot claim objective proof.
To me zero-emissions is drivel because for anything to be zero-emission you have to limit your frame of reference in a rather arbitrary way, you gonna discount the development cycle? the mining of ore for any metal parts? the cig the foreman took slyly during his teabreak? any oil that gets burnt due to overheating of the lubricant? etc etc Maybe it's just a little too philosophical for this board..... It's a little like Tchocks dislike of "perfection" if you see what I mean ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 01:07)
PE
More and more cars/trucks/SUVs will be made AND driven in the future. Are you postulating that EVEN if we had 0 emission vehicles it would be all for naught because the process of manufacture will destroy the Earth long, or at least as fast as, the emissions from the cars as presently configured.
Can you guess PE why no one listens to you. Some Florkers have messaged me and have said that you deserve the sarcasm that I send your way. It is later than you think; get real.
Again, three major efforts would be as follows:
Check population growth.
Working from home---major, major impact.
Design and manufacture of 0 emission cars---super, super goal.
Put it on the line PE....show us something. Why don't you dump the artsy elite mentality and offer up an idea of your own, i.e. instead of pointing out the flaws in my aooriachm suggest some of your own. You're sitting on the sidelines throwing stones.......
Population control...why not offer tax incentives or something to responsible couples that restrict birthing to one (or two) children.....why not make it much easier to adopt locally? A voluntary plan is much more preferable than the Chinese method.
Tchock.....being a socialist in principle at 12-13........please. Is that after you went through your Lenin phase??
>>By lv2read (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 11:22)
Put it on the line PE....show us something. Why don't you dump the artsy elite mentality and offer up an idea of your own, i.e. instead of pointing out the flaws in my aooriachm suggest some of your own. You're sitting on the sidelines throwing stones.......
Forgive the sarcasm shit for brains, I already did: public transport, and you presented a load of nonsense anecdotal guessistimations why LA couldn't do it and completely ignoed a factual response that London is according to your figures bigger and does have currently a creditably functional and expanding public transport system. It's you who need facts rather than wish-fulfilment to look credible... sorry and all that, but perhaps you could start following the arguments. Given up on the Ice Age drivel anyway that's a start I guess. ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 11:50)
I s'pose I should point out more the bleeding obvious since you are as thick as a very very thick thing indeed and usually disingenuous in the extreme. "0 emissions" in your lovely glossy SUV brochures probably refers to particulates and carbom monoxide ie the products of inefficient combustion. Good idea to reduce those (especially as smog levels were once I understand rather unpleasant and arguably unhealthy in LA) but something of prize misnomer. You burn carbon fuels you make carbon dioxide no matter how efficient. That's a nasty greenhouse gas we don't need thanks.
I'm utterly sure the majority of intelligent knowledgeable Florkers consider you a prize prat lv2bs. Why don't you invite your legions of invisible supporters to participate? Oh I forget you're a a bluffer ... they don't exist ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 12:10)
Yep as I already said lv2bs working from home is a good idea in some respects. So AGAIN, tell how many of your employees have you facilitated to this form of employment for? Show us it's workable andyou get our respect, spout drivel as you usually do and get laughed at. Simple really. Even you can understand it ;)
Still waiting to discover why you judge my music is "discordant" though don't appear to have any knowledge of it.
Artsy elite? Ermm... It that supposed to be a put down? Like "socialist" was earlier? Or "immature"? Scrape that barrel why don't you? ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 12:26)
PE
Again...there will be more and more and more cars in the world in the future. So,,,,why don't we accept them as part of the landscape (duh??) and work to make them more efficient? You and Tchock may choose to 'walk' on an outing, but Americans drive. We're not asking you to progress to the current, nor should you attempt to yank us backwards. We ain't giving up our cars!!!
BTW Socialist is still a putdown....where have you been?
If your music is like your 'focus' --- discordant is a (pardon me) a British understatement.
Public transport ----- consider the following....
Tardiness is not acceptable in America. You get to work on time....can't blame tardiness on your mode of transportation.
No one but no one will walk anywhere near one mile to work from a bus or train station. Not here....no way. And, we don't expect women to walk even two blocks at night....too dangerous.
How do you pick up your children at a day care center after work??? Or if you are ill and don't have personal transportation....
Relatives...siblings...children...cousins...etc.
Perhaps Tchocks 18 year old friend will confirm this, but Californians may live in a neighborhood for years and NOT know their neighbor. I'm a native born Californian and probably have never met the brothers or sisters, grandparents never, of any of the kids that I went to school with. You are on your own here. You can't make a call and have someone pick up your child....you MUST be able to DO that yourself.
So, if public transport can work in London, it could work in LA?? How sure are you? How intelligent is your conclusion? Do you understand why we, as a society, don't go to musicians for advice. Your logic is as discordant as your music.....my guess.
I saw a musical several years back....I Love You, You're Perfect, Now Change!! The show parodied simplistic thinking such as yours....just change. PE if were only that simple...that easy. And young Tchock will assure you that change is simple indeed.
>>By lv2read (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 13:53)
Stop making out like Americans are some other fucking species of homo sapiens.
And while your at it you can quit with the bullshit.
Why don't we accept that cars are going to be part of the future (more than ever) ???
One thing which I should not need to reiterate, but you don't seem to be getting the point yet, is that they're destroying the planet's atmosphere..............another is that they're making us less fit than we are already - we can drive, therefore we do & forget about exercise; suburban sprawl is created which is a bad thing because that means there is nothing in the suburbs except houses which leads to kids having nothing to do & the only shops you have to drive to which leads to out of town malls/shopping areas which leads to congestion on the roads which leads to more pollution than ever which leads to frustrated drivers which leads to anger which leads to stress which leads to health problems and relationship problems which leads all to the breakdown of society. Of course, you might think that is a bit far fetched.........I mean it's JUST a car isn't it ???
How long is it going to take to come up with this new 0 emission car ???
Let's say five years.
Ok - so that's just the idea - you've got to make a prototype........ ok done that within one year, then you've got to test it - maybe another two years, then you've got to mass produce it - let's say it takes three years for it to come into most new cars. That will leave the vast majority of cars without it.
THEN you've got to think about making it.
It will take vast quantities of energy to extract the metal, put it in a factory which uses vast amounts of energy welding things together & all sorts of stuff - that produces carbon dioxide fumes - then you've got to ship it across to China (where lets face it will get made) then you've got to distribute those cars around the globe on those transport ships which of course don't have these new engines/cleaner technology because the ship's about two decades old and then you've got the rest of the cars in the world to think about replacing and basically it's about 2020 before anything's really happened..........by which time it will already be too late to make an impact.
"Tardiness is not acceptable in America"
nor I think anywhere else - you gotta remember that America is not some seperate world with it's own uniquness.... it's as fucked up & ignorant of the rest of this planet - GET FUCKING USED TO IT.
If there were MORE people on public transport........... then there would be less traffic on the roads - more mass transit is a great thing. A bus ain't gonna get anywhere if it's stuck surrounded by a few dozen cars with only the driver inside. What happens if you take even half the drivers & put them into a bus ? Oh look, the bus might actually start to move.
"No one but no one will walk anywhere near one mile to work from a bus or train station. Not here....no way. And, we don't expect women to walk even two blocks at night....too dangerous."
One mile ???
I'm sorry - have you forgotten how little distance this is??
I walk more than a mile to class every day & I barely even notice the distance - it takes what - 10 or fifteen minutes ????
Maybe you're a lazy bastard - but not everyone is !!!!!
As for women walking two blocks at night .......... yes
I agree 100% that it is very dangerous..... but if you've got frequent public transport - buses or trains that are linked in nicely with each other & which cover a very large area of the city's streets, then I for one wouldn't worry about having to walk home.
<How do you pick up your children at a day care center after work??? >
Seeing as you're so into tax incentives...................
Howzbout we make it easier for one parent to stay at home & look after their children while the other goes out to work ??? I don't know about you - but I really think it damages a child by taking it away from its parents for most of the day, placing it in the hands of a stranger each day - a child needs to learn from either its mother or father - instead of being dumped every day. I know that a lot of parents would really quite like to stay at home with their children it's just that they really cannot afford to do so. That's the thing isn't it - let's give those who don't really need help even more help & those who we think are doing fine but are really struggling nothing.
<Perhaps Tchocks 18 year old friend will confirm this>
What 18 year old friend ??
The only 18 year old friend you know I've got did the noble thing & fucked off from this board. We both saw that it was like pulling teeth trying to "discuss" things with you - but I only stayed for two reasons - one of which was that it's great hearing your replies - it makes me feel better about myself - that I'm more intelligent than I generally think I am - and the other..........well that's got nothing to do with you.
So who is the 18 year old friend ???
As you mention California......I'll assume that you'll be talking about my friend Helmet. (You might wanna re-check his profile.......... that pic of him doesn't look too much like an 18 year old does he?? Looks more like a 105 year old doesn't he??)
And yet-a-fucking-gain California is NOT unique in the fact that you can live for years in the same neighbourhood & not know your neighbours........jeeeeeez !!!! I think you'll find that most people in Britain don't really know the people they live around........
"You are on your own here, you can't make a call and have someone pick up your child... you MUST be able to DO that yourself."
So you're ok with that ??? You're ok with the fact that this is what modern life has come down to ???
Public transport can work anywhere you put it. It's strange how that happens. It must be magic.
"How intelligent is your conclusion?"
A lot more than yours, that's for sure.
"Do you understand why we, as a society, don't go to musicians for advice?"
Well we might not knock on let's say Thom Yorke's door & ask him for advice - but believe it or not when people are depressed they look to music because that way they've always got a friend - because they share the pain or whatever the lyrics say or whatever the music makes them feel. Also - people listen to music because it's a wonderful creation that doesn't have to be an opera or a Handel to be enjoyed.
Socialist an insult ???
Hmmm...........maybe I'd be crying if I was born at the height of the cold war, but sorry - you're "insults" just reflect back on you - it's an insult to you that this is how you think. You're the stereotypical American we all see on TV & in films that fears communism - remember.......the one that was the JOKE of the show ????
Yeah, change can be simple; but it can also be very hard. Not that you'd know anything about that of course - I don't you've even so much as changed your mind in your life.
>>By Tchock (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 18:40)
OK lv2bs thanks for conceding that your "immenient Ice Age" was false. Thanks for conceding that your concept of electric cars neglectd plugging them into fossil-fuel generated electricity. Thanks for conceding that LA doesn't currently have a good public transport system. Or any readliy available in depth objective data concerning its improvement to level that would better meet the needs of residents and visitors. Thanks for conceding that Anglos stole California from Mexico, cheated the Spanish-speakers of their right to participate in democracy until such time as English was the enforced language of legislation and education even though the majority of the population were at that time Spanish speakers. Thanks for conceding that you either were unaware of the history of your own state when indicating it had been English-speaking for along time prior to official adoption of English or that you were trying to deceive us. Thanks for conceding that you've either been hoodwinked by your carlust into erroneously believing 0 emissions means carbon-neutral, or attempted to deceive readers here in a dishonest way. Thanks for conceding that you have no serious idea whatsoever about how you will implement "population control" among those less concerned about individual material wealth than yourself or of a different religious persuasion. Thanks for conceding that your concept of tougher policy re capital punishment neglected the obvious universal experience in any westerm democracy country that this policy actually costs tha state more than long-term incarcerration, results in miscarriages of justice with no semblance of correction possible. and cannot be demonstrated to objectively to cut crime. Thanks for conceding that you can present no evidence that home-working is used in your own business. Thanks for conceding that you have no argument against my example of London being both larger than LA and better served by public transport due to significant resources being employed and that you are currently unable to offer any reason for this disparity whereas I have clearly indicated logically and factually why I suspect funding may be the issue.
Thanks for now conceding that I've never indicated change would be easy or painless, only that I have good reason to believe the change will be necessary at some point in the future due to fimite resources and precisely because it is in my opinion going to be both difficult and time-consuming you would be best advised stop ignoring the issues get informed and make a serious intelligent response. Please take your collective Californian skull out of sand and stop behaving like an overgrown ill-educated child who's just been told that although Mummy and Daddy understand he likes the pretty lights that come when he strikes matches it's not really a good idea to play with fire.
Thanks for now conceding that Californians live in a shallow stratisfied society so vain and puerile that possession of a bigger car than you need is not a social embarrassment but somehow is in some twisted way favoured. Thanks for now conceding that you're so insecure and superficial that you would rather risk the livelihood land homes and health of millions worldwide than collectively get off your fat arses (I understand the USA has the highest rate of obesity worldwide) and walk somewhere. Thanks for now conceding that you have difficulty in understanding why your actions can under some moral codes be considered reprehensible (I understand the USA have acheived positions in the low teens in international educational leagues despite your students availing themselves of the opportunities of private educational provision in a largish minority)
Thanks for now conceding that the only sustained thread in your arguments against mine has been one of trying through puerile name-calling to attempt to diminish my perceived integrity.
Thanks and Goodnight! ;)
>>By planet ear (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 18:50)
PE and Tchock
Again and again.....
The USA is the land of opportunity and California is the brightest light in the land.....the best economy...a can do attitude,,,,you can make your fortune here or...just coast. People are relocating here; they aren't relocating to Bath, to Livgverpool, to Chester, to Sherwood Forest, to Gerrards Cross......but here. Moderate temperatures YEAR ROUND and business opportunities supreme. Where shopping reigns supreme, both husband and wife work, and they prosper, and purchase SUVs, and vacation homes, and go waterskiing in the winter, and party at the Newport Peninsula all summer. It is all here.....modern, gorgeous boulevards, exciting malls (by the hundreds), and more.
You two have done without so long that it seems appealing to you. But, The government isn't going to relocate you to Newport, or to Triangle Square, or to Aliso Viejo, or Laguna Beach----you'll have to earn that yourself. To escape your dull wretched lives, you must make an effort. And that is where we part company....neither of you could thrive here....Marek could/he'd be welcomed with open arms whereas you'd be looking only for a handout, or would have a quick excuse for failure. You'd NEVER understand....you'd never make it. I work as hard today as I've always worked...I'll never tire of business and the sacrifice it requires. I'm guaranteed not one penny of salary...no insurance offered to me, no one to prop me up. I do it myself. And when illness strikes, you recover, you work through it, you don't complain...you just try harder. No excuses....just plow ahead. I've done it under the best of conditions and under the worst of conditions...and I have never felt at a disadvantage....because I am in a land of OPPORTUNITY. It is all here!!
Thank you for writing.
>>By lv2read (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 22:26)
@ You'd NEVER understand
But what YOU'd never understand L2R that:
"Where shopping reigns supreme, both husband and wife work, and they prosper, and purchase SUVs, and vacation homes, and go waterskiing in the winter, and party at the Newport Peninsula all summer. It is all here.....modern, gorgeous boulevards, exciting malls (by the hundreds), and more"
is not everyone goal and joy in life - and that does NOT mean those are living a dull and wretched out life!! Some people have other goals, other joys - and other cares.
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 23:17)
L2R, there can only be so much progress and only so much thriving. Everything will be different by the end of this century. Maybe that doesn't matter to you, but what about your kids, and theirs? Or do you think California will be one long party for the rest of eternity?
>>By Flagg (Thursday, 7 Dec 2006 23:40)
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