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| Discussion: Jack So you've been there JJ? I'd like to know why you think it's ok to say your own country is divided (that seems to be what you've said) and that you're not entirely proud to be part of it, you don't like the way it's represented and the way it looks to the world - am I right so far? But when it comes to Iraq or Africa... huge generalisations based on what you've seen of them are ok? I notice you didn't mention the African cannibals in your last post. Is this because you couldn't bring yourself to concede that Tchock's right and it's unlikely that the entire population of a whole continent are cannibals? >I think you've been reading too much Harry Potter-- And here we see you following in the footsteps of your new buddy L2R: being an insulting, patronising prick. >The Iraqis are savage apes--I stand by my racist remark. Well at least you don't pretend not to be racist. That puts you ever so slightly above the BNP. I hope you live a quiet life, keep yourself to yourself, and then take your fucked-up views to your grave without bothering anyone. >>By Flagg Feckin' hell, JJ - you do talk such shite. You think that Saddam should have been left in power to kill his own people ??? You know - maybe if you looked an Iraqi child in the eye - you wouldn't be so racist, so forsakening, so judgemental.......... Saddam should not have stayed in power - but the way he was removed from power was NOT the way it should have been. That is the point that I - along with quite a lot of other people both here & in *reality* - have made. You cannot just march into a country & say "there you go - you're liberated." Even if you do have the best intentions. Of course force needed to be used at one point - but when you're firing missiles at restuarants aiming for Saddam himself - I think that is going a little past the point of justification. Islam is as dangerous as any other religion. I know a few muslims - and they don't want to go around killing people. At birth a child has no concept of religion or murder.......... it is only the people around them (if they are so inclined) that teach them the morals (or immorals) of each. IF there were a great number of people in Iraq who believed that murder was good - then are you really going to leave them to indoctrinate their children into similar thinking? Do they deserve this? Do they not deserve the same rights as you ??? The fact is that only a few hundred/thousand people in Iraq believe that killing is justified in Allah's view....... etc ahhhh I don't konw why i even bother writing this, JJ you're not going to listen. Are you sure you're not related to Nick Griffin??? JJ , I find you dispicable. And if anything it is you who is the savage. >>By Tchock I write things a certain way to get a response, which I got. So thanks. Now... Tchcock, if Saddam should not have been left in power, how would you propose removing him? Asking him nicely? The military method has made Iraqis suffer more than they would have if we left him there, so yes, I say better Saddam than what they have now. I think all children are innocent, and they are who I care about. Unfortunately, many of the children of the world are raised by idiots. If you want to believe that most Iraqis are tolerant people, I'm not going to argue with you. If you want to believe that a shit-load of Africans don't cut people's lips off when they disagree with them, again I'll leave you to your beliefs. I support peace, and to me that means letting any idiot do what he wants as long as it doesn't affect me. You seem to be saying we should save Darfur, help the Iraqis, etc...but somethow do this without hurting anyone. Again, I suggest you spend time among these moderate, tolerant people you so respect and see how long it is before your thigh ends up as the dinner special at some Ubangi war-feast. I think it is disgusting how we, the U.S. and G.B., have treated Africans, Native Americans, Mexicans, etc...That we're wrong, however, doesn't make their chimpanzee culture more impressive. I'm saying we all suck--you're the one defending these suicide-bombing, camel-raping, limb-amputating sickos. If it's racist to say that most middle-eastern Muslims harbor dangerous beliefs, and that most Africans live as armed chimpanzees...well, I'm racist. At least I have black friends and live among blacks unlike you eurotrash pieces of shit. >>By Just Jon Utter drivel JJ... and frankly offensive. >>By planet ear You don't have a clue what you're talking about you fucking idiot. First, no one here defended the kind of people who think killing eachother is ok or is God's will, what we said was that you can't write off whole countries as savages, regardless of how many fucking special reports you watch on CNN or whatever. Second, you seem to think only in extremes. Maybe when Tchock said Saddam should have been removed differently she meant by choosing MILITARY targets rather than having thousands of civilians slaughtered. And now I expect you're gonna say 'grow up, war always has casualties' or something to a similar effect, or maybe you'll just say 'the monkeys deserved it'. Well either it's bullshit so just save it. Third, I have black friends too. Have you ever been outside the U.S??? Guess what: America isn't the only multicultural country on the planet, so you can shut your fucking ignorant racist mouth. >>By Flagg JJ They just don't get it....and never will. Flagg, Tchock and Deaf Ear: How would you 'nicely' and 'politicfally correctly' remove Sadaam. Appeal to his sense of fairness? Mother may I?? Flagg, why are you taking instruction in judo, tai kwan do,,,whatever....if all you have to do is say "Please stop." Flagg, it is time for you to put up OR shut up. You are a 'bloody' mug wump----i.e. you have your mug on one side of the fence and your wump on the other. Yes, Sadaam was better at killing than the insurgents. He didn't make the headlines...or the national journalists would have lost their heads. There were no coups......no real insurrection. Only England AND the US listened to their dissidents, and on and on. Tchock Perhaps the dissidents should have stood on their heads, in the corner of a room, and under a pyramid, and chanted for human rights. And after their slaughter, people like you would state that they died well....but the US should have acted. Again,and for the 3rd or 4th last time on my part: The insurgents are cowardly slobs who target their own people in the name of Allah. Sabe?? >>By lv2read The US was busy suppying Saddam with weapons not so long ago you ignorant Yank half-wit, first prop up the regime then claim you're pulling it down for moral grounds? Utter contemptible conceited two-faced bullshit. USA is concerned with its oil supplies and supports Zionism because it serves to create instability in the region. There were no WMD in Iraq now you pretend regime change was the motive. Bullshit. You couldn't find OBL in Afghanistan so wage war on the Taliban who you previously supported when it suited you under threat from USSR. Put 'em in power when it suits your agenda knock 'em out when it doesn't if you must. I can't stop you. But don't give me this endless patronising self-serving crap about American Right being the the "good guys". You aren't. So now should you own a map look at it.... You'll note that Iran is sited in between Iraq and Afganistan. They are the worlds' largest oil producer. USA claimed to go into Iraq and Afganistan under false pretences. If I were Iranian I'd build a fucking bomb in that circumstance because it's bloody obvious that these moves are motivated to put pressure on them. No country which posesses nukes has ever had it's undisputed homeland invaded. The ONLY country which has ever used the bomb is yours. And while we're about it WWII finished 61 years ago you came to Europe to use Europe as a barrier to USSR expansion as clearly the USSR had already won the war against Germany in '42. The Warsaw Pact haven't presented a credible threat to NATO for nearly 20yrs. Can you fuck off out of Europe now please and stop using my countrymen to fight the bloody stupid wars you provoke. See You Next Tuesday! ;) >>By planet ear The USSR won the War against Germany in 1942?????? Deserving no answer....this ain't stupid?????? Where did you study history? At Tchock's grammar school? >>By lv2read Whatever. I don't know about the WWII thing but everything else P.E. just said is spot on. Thanks P.E. >How would you 'nicely' and 'politicfally correctly' remove Sadaam. Appeal to his sense of fairness? Let me repeat what I ALREADY SAID: how about targetting military installations the way you're supposed to in a war instead of bombing the place into oblivion and letting your trigger-happy grunts kill whoever they want? And I'm learning karate a) in order to defend myself and b) because I enjoy it. I don't know about you but I perceive a slight difference between punching someone in the face because they're trying to mug you and killing thousands of civilians for political reasons. >>By Flagg And the philosophy behind the martial arts IS that you say 'please stop' and don't resort to violence unless it's absolutely necessary. Not that that has any bearing on what I was saying about Iraq, I just thought you might like to know. >>By Flagg <Where did you study history? At Tchock's grammar school?> Tchock went to a "rubbish, underfunded, state run school where all the kids run riot." Not a Grammar School. He's right you know. Which country had the only tank which could challenge the German Panzers............ ???? IS-100..............Iosif Stalin 100 - Think that would be Russia. (Remained best tank in the world until the seventies......) What country took Berlin first ??? Russia. If it were not for Russia, the second world war would not have been won. Germany had another war on two fronts - makes for a very strenuous war you know. The battle of Stalingrad was the turning point of the war - that's when Germany's offensives (in the East) began to crumble & ultimately led to its defeat/surrender. Which one of us defends any sort of terrorist here ???? If America was so righteous, then it would not have put Saddam in charge (or even HIRED him as an assassin) thirty-odd years ago. If George Bush (father & son) & associates are to be so well respected - then why did they, and do they, have such dealings with the Taliban and that country.... you know the one with appaling human rights....... the country were you get your hands chopped off for stealing bread......the country were women aren't allowed to bear any skin unless its around their eyes............. the country on which a large part of the American economy is based on...........Saudi Arabia ???? America had thirty years to act against Iraq - and Afghanistan. Did they? No. They just sold the weapons to Iraq and the Taliban. Flagg understands what I was saying. You did not have to open fire on anything that moved. You did NOT have to aim missiles at restuarants on the off chance Saddam was in there. Saddam was a bastard - but the people you claim you were trying to help are not. Aim at those who support Saddam - not the innocent civilians. Also - I believe white people used to hang black men for fun. Yes - I have seen the pictures unfortunately. Those white guys seemed to be having a good time. JJ - was this savage ??? You don't do this any more - which means it is possible to reconcile two peoples who loathe each other. No doubt black people hated white people for what they had done. Of course it's not perfect - there is still racism. It might take a long time - but as soon as you can produce a child who see no difference between a black person and a white person OTHER THAN AND JUST THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN, then it is worth it. The same can be achieved in terms of the Sunis/Shites. There is no difference - only in that it is each other's beliefs that the violence stems from. It is just an excuse for generations of hatred. Is locking millions of Jews up in a camp & killing them off either by starvation or by gas chambers savage?? White people did that. German white people. Does that make ALL German white people savages ?? I think not. Oh yes, and JJ - I have a black, Kenyan (that's in Africa don't you know) friend. He so far hasn't tried to eat me........... I have another from Algeria - he's not suggested anything about eating me.............. >>By Tchock Oh yes, and JJ - I have a black, Kenyan (that's in Africa don't you know) friend. He so far hasn't tried to eat me........... I have another from Algeria - he's not suggested anything about eating me..............>>>>> Oh, it seems to me as though something is missing (as in judgement, perception and the like). So Russia won WWII. Tchock, WHO was the Supreme Allied Commander??? Hint....General Eisenhower---soon to be US President. And, yes, Scottish history books are different than mine. And you have two black friends. How many black acquaintences?? I think that you are confused about religious intolerance....very confused. Listen more closely to the Islamic Extremists. Then tell me that there is a path to reconciliation. Hired Sadaam as an assassin....right out of the Al Quaida Chronicle---does this impress your Social Studies teacher??? If I were you I'd stay as far as I could from the Period 4 Classroom 12b. Free and Democratic Iraq. INCREDIBLE election turnout. Consitiution patterned after yours (Eng) and ours. How much more hope and potential could there be? For the Social Studies teacher.. How long should we ignore Iran's nuclear dallyance?? Why don't we pretend here for a moment that their government are bad guys.. If JJ is so wrong, why are you so 'confused' about the 'savagery' of the insurgents tactics. Many of their despicable acts are carried out in places with no (dirty dog) Americans in sight. Tchocki, wake up (I do realize that your school would consider you hoplessly lost if you were to modify your leanings)......and Lenin's picture WHERE?? It is obviously already on your schoolhouse door, but elsewhere, Hell No!! >>By lv2read People like you shouldn't be allowed to say 'wake up'. L2R that was the airiest, most substance-lacking post I've ever seen. No one said there was a path to reconciliation with religious fanatics. We said the war was a) started for the wrong reasons and b) botched horifically. You haven't said ANYTHING about that, instead you're talking as though we said 'We should integrate crazy terrorists into society and help them'. You're deciding what we've said to you so it will be easier for you to make the response you want. We have to repeat ourselves endlessly and it's never enough, you just go on and on and on making references to Tchock's school, gleefully unheedful of what we're actually saying. You're the one who needs to grow up. >>By Flagg Flagg You are studying self defense ostensibly for YOUR self defense. Right?? Now you said that didn't you? Right there in your post. Right there. Now when you were 6-7 Sadaam invaded Kuwait (you may think that he was invited, but he was not.). He has a track record of destabilizing the area. Courageously, it was America that bounced them out on their ass. But pardon me Tchock and Flagg and Planet Ear, it took all of SEVEN DAYS to accomplish that. Let's fast forward to the near present, of we may. You may have noticed that incidences of world wide (religion based) terrorism have increased. What has happened is that the cause of Sadaam (whom many of the terrorists dislike) has been embraced to spew vicious violence in the direction of all things American. Iraq has served as a lightening rod sprt pf speak. But a funny thing happened on the way to the war.....America's resolve has been firm, and the peace loving Iraqi's have pieced together a government the envy of many.....participatory democracy. Why don't we give the Iraqis a chance to vote on the following: A. America (and all that it has brought) to leave.....the surviving Baathists would seize the reigns of government. or B. No elections no freedoms, extremists Muslim judges/courts would be the law, no competiting newspaper in the morning or afternoon, no trade with the US, one religion only recognized, no free speech.......are you getting the idea. And, of course, their constitution would be trashed. NONE of the above would have come about without American guidance. I forgot an important thing, Sadaam would still be in power, and no one would have been killed---all you'd have to do is read the newspspers and you'd know that!!! Now if YOU can not say that the change the USA has affected is incredible, we speak a different language. The safe havens available for terrorists are steadily diminishing in number. Thanks, in large part, to the US President's leadership. >>By lv2read >>> How long should we ignore Iran's nuclear dallyance?? In my view? Permanently. Nuclear proliferation is an historical inevitablity. It hasn't led to major nuclear exchange between Nato and Warsaw Pact. I don't fear it personally. What I DO fear is that states and minorities within states that don't have nuclear weapons are forced into extremism/terrorism because their state cannot engage (in the sense of interact) sensibly with a nuclear and expansionist force on their doorstep. Lebanon has twice been reduced to rubble by USA-sponsored Israel in my lifetime. That is a breeding ground for dissaffection which the nations more orthodox government cannot accomodate or represent. Can their govt threaten action against Israel with it's conventional weapons superiority (thanks to US sales) and nukes? So clearly Arab dissatisfaction can have no expression other than terror. Also as I've already pointed out the west is advocating increased use of nuclear power as a means to greenhouse gas reduction. No bloody use if everyone else is still carbon-fuelled is it? The two paths are largely inseperable from a surveillance point of view as I have also pointed out previously. Do you still respect Tony Blair now that he is insisting that the Israel/Palestine situation must be resolved peacefully before any progress elsewhere in the Middle East can be seriously persued lv2read? If that position is valid and respectable now why wasn't it valid and respectable before Iraq invasion? USA sat on the fence for the first years of WW11 and only engaged once USSR was forced to join in. USA only set foot in mainland Europe in 44 because it wished to set a limit to perceived expansion of Soviet influence. Resulting in the carving in up of the original aggressor. It's an utterly and typically vacuous moot point who was 1IC of the Allies It would seem that history books in UK are rather better written than in California, at least we knew the history of YOUR state rather better than some of its residents...but hey, what can we expect from the inhabitants of a nation that only manages to rank in the upper teens in the educational stakes? ;) You remain lv2read in my estimation either a contemptible fool who believes in some John Waynesque view of world politics, or someone who for reasons of ridiculous ageist and nationalist arrogance feels he can insult and bluff his way out of the ill-informed and intellectually bankrupt niche you have carved out for yourself on this board. >>By planet ear *swathes of Lebanon >>By planet ear <Listen more closely to the Islamic Extremists. Then tell me that there is a path to reconciliation.> Catholics & Protestants. There's really no difference. Both used to kill each other in the past a lot. Both sides were torn apart. Both sides allowed their children to grow up resenting the other. Now? Now it is not as bad - considerably better. Of course the ISLAMIC EXTREMEST will not compromise their hatred. But how many islamic extremests are there ??? A lot less than you think, lv2read & JJ. Most people are decent human beings - both here & anywhere else. Reconciliation CAN be met.......... just as you think Democracy over there will be (they both come hand & in hand..........). <WHO was the Supreme Allied Commander??? Hint....General Eisenhower---soon to be US President.> Good ol'e Ike huh. Ya know - believe he really didn't give a shit about what was happening in Europe until the war had already started. You've got a real complex with the need to be the best all the time don't you?? <And you have two black friends. How many black acquaintences??> Haha - I'll bet your neighbours' aren't black. And exactly what does it matter how many black friends I have? I have as many friends as I like - whether they are coloured or not is of no consequence to me, or to anything at all. In answer to your question : none. But what does that say ?? It is actually appalling how little coloured people there are at uni - no doubt JJ would claim their "monkey brains" couldn't cope with that. I say - it just so happens that they might not be able to AFFORD to go to university. <right out of the Al Quaida Chronicle---does this impress your Social Studies teacher???> Hahahaha. Right, yep. Funny - anything that goes against your wonderful country is propaganda from the Axis of Evil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein Try reading about "Youth". You'll see CIA is mentioned a lot............. & just so you don't miss it ************and in 1959, Saddam was involved in the attempted United States-backed plot to assassinate Qassim*********************************** And again I saw a documentary by the BBC which also described this. And another documentary on Channel Four (an independent TV company........no not Communist Central). BY THE WAY I HAVE LEFT SCHOOL. What are you talking about - really??? Social studies teachers..........impressing...... ??? Why do you think that my school is in anyway a socialist/communist infested school ???? I can name four teachers that were left-wing inclined. My Headteacher. My Maths teacher (you know the one, Flagg). My Physics Teacher My History Teacher. Both didn't want Stalin or Lenin to rise from the grave & conquer the world. No, both were VERY sensible human beings. And what is so hard for you to believe about me having my own political beliefs conjured by myself with no aim to impress anyone ??? I am not confused whatsoever about the savegry of the insurgents. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. I have nothing but resentment and loathing for them. And these emotions are indifferent when compared to the feelings of the vitctims of the insurgents. (Read that again if you think I don't care about the victims). My old school's front door has the world's "Failté" & "Bienveunue" written on it Above the door is the School's crest. Funny that.............. the only picture of Lenin is in the history books. By the way - the only thing different about my history books to yours, lv2read is that mine don't ramble on about how great the American presidents were & how they won everything blablabla- evidentally that's the fiction you read. You are laughable, lv2read. If you weren't so serious, your paroday would be comic genius. >>By Tchock >>> Now when you were 6-7 Sadaam invaded Kuwait (you may think that he was invited, but he was not.). He has a track record of destabilizing the area. Your utter ignorance or contemptible misrepresentation appalls me lv2read. Albright told him "the US was unconcerned by his local territtorial ambitions" just prior to Gulf Conflict 1. This after he had been buying weapons to sustain the war against Iran from his then friends the USA. The oilfield straddling the border was his to seize, Albright gave him the green light. And since you appear to know fuck all about anything may I remind/inform you that Kuwait was basically partioned from Iraq by successively the UK and th US in the earlier part of the 20th century for the benefit of US/UK owned Gulf Oil. Previously it was Iraq! Curiously after Saddam was pushed back from Kuwait the border moved northwards into formerly Iraqi territory such that the previously joint oilfield was now entiely within Kuwait! Within a year or so Kuwait had paid the USA and other participants from memory something like $20 billion as a "thank you" for this essentially mercenary behaviour. Nope it's the USA who are the prime destabilizing influence in Middle East. If OPEC had linked up properly in the 70s as they threatened to do the USA would have been paying a fuck of a lot more for oil which is why it has been the unstated purpose of successive adminstrations to provoke an unstable situation in the region since it serves US ambitions. Saddam was just one of your tools for the purpose. Similarly the big long-term threat to US military/economic dominance currently is clearly the emerging power of Pacific Rim/China and Indian subcontinent. This is why you've suddenly started making a fuss about Korea again given half an excuse. It gives you an opportunity the demonstrate power in that sphere. It's clearly a worry to USA bacause noy only are they going to kick your lazy fat arses thru cheaper manufacturing they're also going to become prime clients for Middle Eastern oil! No wonder you're seeking influence in the area while you still can! BTW isn't that why a tiny country like UK immediately offered 4x what the USA did in Indian Ocean Boxing Day Tsuami relief while Bush steadfastly hid for 4 days. What was actually happening of course was the USA was seeing which countries were desperate enough to accept the American conditions of being allowed naval bases in the region in return for emergency relief. I invite you to check out just how many bases established "temporarily" for that purpose are still in existence..... Similarly we did also hear recently that USA will probably be leaving several large bases with several tens of thousands of troops in Iraq even after the hand-over to Iraq government. Nice people aren't you? That shpuld be just enough to stop them actually being autonomous for ther foreseeable future...... Still waiting to learn your current view of Blair and his view of Israel/Palastine situation... >>By planet ear Oh I and nearly forgot my little prediction about US democracy, please name the state the Republicans lost where the ballot was counted electronically lv2BS....... >>By planet ear Deaf Ear .....state the Republicans lost in which election???? BTW there was NO nationwide balloting two weeks ago...only LOCAL races. What are you 'trying' to ask?? Counted electronically?? Provisional ballots CAN'T be counted electronically a n y w h e r e . Tchock We are now speculating on the color of my neighbors. How grown up of you!!! You can do better than this. Will write more tomorrow. Good night....7:25 Tuesday evening local time. >>By lv2read Does anyone know what on earth lv2obfuscate is on about there? >>By planet ear >Flagg You are studying self defense ostensibly for YOUR self defense. Right?? Now you said that didn't you? Right there in your post. Right there. Yes that's right. What's your point? >America's resolve has been firm, and the peace loving Iraqi's have pieced together a government the envy of many.....participatory democracy. Yes, maybe in a couple of decades Iraq could be just like the UK or the US. Woohoo. You're still talking about the nice part (Iraq now with democracy - yeah, the same kind that allowed George Bush to get into power despite massive doubts on whether he'd won the election and allowed Tony Blair to send our troops to a war that the vast majority of the population was against) and ignoring the bad part (the fact that there is still violence and death in Iraq every day and the west is still as much under threat from terrorism as it ever was). >>By Flagg Actually I believe more under threat from terrorism Flagg, can't recall any suicide bombers operating in UK prior to Dubyas' ridiculous "War on Terror" .... >>By planet ear True, but to be fair that could be coincedence. They may have been planning it anyway. >>By Flagg I love the way he completely ignored everything I said, and then proceded to tell me to grow up on the basis I said "I bet your neighbours aren't black" when he had just asked me about how many black acquiantances I had........... Ahhh.... lv2read - nothing to say on any important point I made ??? >>By Tchock Suppose it is all relative. Maybe plots were not *newsworthy*......... bit like Bird Flu. Remember all the cufuffle over the bird in Scotland they found???? But the more hate you create - the more hate that comes stormin' right back at you. Democracy is meaningless when the whole country is in turmoil from people slaughtering others, kidnapping occuring as a daily event, lack of sanitation & running water, barely any electricity, your life in threat constantly from insurgents, car bombs going off, the hazy mist of fear lingering over your every day life...... >>By Tchock Tchock YOU mentioned that you had A black friend and I merely followed up on the issue of acquaintenances. We have three million blavks in Los Angeles county---perhaps more than you have in all of England. As for Scotland---I didn't see ONE when I was there last. Proobably a coincidence..... If memory serves, wasn't there a movement afoot in government (British government) to limit OR restrict immigration of 'colored' people to the British Isles?? To assist you, the timeline if that activity was the early 1960's. What is the expression...the one without sin may cast the first stone??? Do you have any idea of the difficulties that the majority culture in America has had with the integration of blacks into the mainstream?? We are still adjusting..... And that makes us bad, twisted, or whatever??? And straight from your parent's mouth.....85 million Americans live in the Bible Belt as you called it. And you say that you wouldn't be interested in visiting there..... You know how they are, right?? Very, very immature Tchock. And, if you are straight, visiting the mecca of San Francisco would be shocking in many ways. Your Scottish values are a wee bit difficult to understand. But if you heed the postings of Deaf Ear, you'll never sort things out. And you tarnished the image of SUVs. I can assure you that they are as popular in SF as they are in the Deep South....and the Middle Class can afford them No slums in Liverpool. Deaf Ear: Do you REALLY agree with that?? That is UTTER NONSENSE. I was there on several occasions--long enough to gain entrance to the casinos. You must proove that you've been in the country at least one week to get a membership, I believe. If you don't consider some of that 'council' housing to be slum like---you've been there too long. And Tchock, please let me know when you have an important point to make. Why don't we start out by telling me of some of the foreign policy dealings of my country that you admire. Say, in the last 4 years or so. Korea???????????????????? If you mean North Korea, please say it. There ain't a Korea anymore......and hasn't been for 66 years or so. Isn't it interesting that the Communist North Korea uses the term 'Democratic?' >>By lv2read >Do you have any idea of the difficulties that the majority culture in America has had with the integration of blacks into the mainstream?? Yes I think we all do, and that's the problem. You've been adjusting for going on half a century and there is still widespread racism in certain parts of the U.S. When you say there are three million black people in Los Angeles county, that doesn't quite answer the question about whether any of them are *your* neighbours, does it? There are plenty of expensive suburban homes in your county right? Plenty of ghettos too? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've never been there. >>By Flagg I mentioned that I had a black friend in reference to JJ's racist remarks that they are 'all a bunch of cannibals' or whatever his exact phrase was. YOU then speculated on my acquaintances. But don't let us get us bogged down in the nitty-gritty of details.............. <As for Scotland---I didn't see ONE when I was there last> Hmmm... were you keeping your eye open for *them*??? What exactly does not seeing any coloured people in scotland prove? That we're racist? Uhm... no.There are lots of racial groups in my city. But I don't calculate the ratio & nor do i check for my wallet every time I see 'one'. Yes - Britain I daresay was racist & discriminative to black people. I am not about to deny it. Unlike you I am not on the verge of tears whenever my country is insulted or criticised. <And straight from your parent's mouth> Because you've met my parents & all........... Oh, I would go to the Bible Belt alright. I think it would be rather quite fun to witness this ludicrous 'community', bordering on insanity........ I don't think I'd last a day though before being deported out of state though...... San Francisco...................... Aside from looking like a nice city/area (the Bay Area), I want to go there for personal reasons which is absolutely NONE of your business. I daresay there are teenagers with SUV's roaming around the streets. Again, what is your point? If I could afford a nuke, that doesn't necessarily mean I should buy one & use it. SUV's are a HUGE polluter of carbon dioxide !!!! Are you saying it's alright for thousands of people to use them ??/ Is that what freedom in America is all about - the freedom to destroy the planet on a joyride at 12 galleons to the mile ????? I have not in anyway tarnished the SUV. In fact - most people are already aware of their polluting power. And yes !!! I'm sure they are probably as popular in SF as they are in LA or in the Deep South or wherever. You get the same types of people all over - geography never stops them. Face up to the facts - GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY MAN'S GREEDY HABITS !!!! & in reference to a previous discussion on Nuclear................ There is less than 50 years supply of uranium 235 left - Nuclear is a finite power supply. Nuclear energy will make VERY little difference. A life cycle - carbon emissions saved against carbon emissions in getting the Uranium & transporting it.......... if British Nuclear capacity was doubled - then the carbon emissions would only have decreased by 8% by 2035.That ain't so great is it ???? How do you know what will shock me and what will not?? You don't know me !!! I could have grown up in the most underprivallged neighbourhood in Scotland........ & you wouldn't know......... <Your Scottish values are a wee bit difficult to understand.> My scottish values...........which are ???? http://images.google.co.uk/images? hl=en&q=liverpool%20council% 20houses&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi They look hideous, undeseriable, unattractive, most likely graffitied all over, immoral teenagers/neds rampant around them, drugs needles left lying - no more than you would expect from your average UK play-park for kids......................... http://images.google.co.uk/images? svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=slums+in+africa But i think they're ever-so slightly better off than the people who live in this sort of housing...........I mean all the council house tennants have sky (satellite) tv !!! Remove the spacing from both urls. No one is saying that they shouldn't be knocked down and replaced with something far far better - both in engineering design (insulation) & architechural design. <And Tchock, please let me know when you have an important point to make. Why don't we start out by telling me of some of the foreign policy dealings of my country that you admire. Say, in the last 4 years or so.> So you're finally admitting it. The only time I have any important point to make is if that point agrees with you & your marvellous supreme nation ruled by that inspiring WORLD leader George W Bush. N. Korea uses the word "Democracy" to describe itself. Well there's a surprise. How many dictatorships haven't said THAT before........ >>By Tchock Tchock No one is saying that they shouldn't be knocked down and replaced with something far far better - both in engineering design (insulation) & architechural design.>>>> There ARE slums in Liverpool. You know it. I know it. Did you sat architectural design?? Are you being seriousa?? What is clearly needed is asbestos abatement. Architectural redesign would be nice...asbestos abatement is a necessity. SUVs/global warming.....Deaf Ear would refer to this as drivel, but I won't. But I'm sure that those in Period 4 Room 12 would call your remarks heroic. Let me see, I can't afford one THEREFORE I don't want one. Don't the psychologists refer to that as reaction formation? Give it a break Tchock!! Flagg <<<When you say there are three million black people in Los Angeles county, that doesn't quite answer the question about whether any of them are *your* neighbours, does it? There are plenty of expensive suburban homes in your county right? Plenty of ghettos too? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've never been there.>>>> I do not have any black neighbors, nor do I have any close friends that are black. Surely not by design, just happened. I do have black and hispanic employees and, as far as I know, all work well together. >>By lv2read |