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| Discussion: Jack America: The Land of Opportunity. Actually - I forgot to say earlier. Not one of those items you mentioned earlier were actually opportunities. They were 'benefits'. "America: where you can have the opportunity to get a big fat steak'. Low taxation is a 'benefit' - not an opportunity. Overall low taxation is quite the opposite, really - as the less money the government has - the less it can spend on the public sector - i'e cleaning up the streets, education, (i'd say NHS but you don't have one).... all those things that we all need Flagg is right. You are perocial. Because you have made a 'success' of your life - you feel that others aren't as 'successful' are a bunch of lazy card-carrying communists out to bring down the President. BIAM's right as well. So far lv2read you actually haven't formed an argument. You've made statements which don't actually mean anything. You contradict yourself (as BIAM pointed out). You bring back all your arguments to the same two things: America & Bush. And on special occasions you really push the boat out & bring in a bit about us all being communist pinko's. Oh yes & America's average yearly income is around $39,795.33 per year - which isn't that much is it??? I don't think a lot of families could afford to put through more than one kid (if one parent earns the $$) through private education at around $3000 a year. You might just be able to afford it - but that comes with stress & money worries which cause hardship on everyone in the family: overall not a healthy thing. >>By Tchock & if you don't mind spending private school's tuition fees of on average $3000 a year (I don't know how much you personally spent) then you wouldn't mind paying that in tax - so that all students could benefit from a good education. Of course the current system mind be a little too bureaucratic & inefficient as well as maybe not challenging enough (I don't entirely know) - but you could always (plural use of you) try & change the system. What would be so wrong with that?? If America is so democratic - then let the population decide. I just read that only 10% of children in America attend private schools. The rest have to suffer the overcrowded & underfunded system while others either scrape together their coppers to send their kids to private schools or can afford it with ease. Hmm tuition fees are extremely varied for America - $3000 seems a bit... cheap. Most articles seem to suggest that it is far more. And private schools are businesses - they can charge whatever they want for the "product" they are giving in return. A school in San Francisco charges $26 000 - just over half the average yearly salary. Instead of integrating society - it merely divides it. I doubt that Private Schools are monitored nationally - or even federally. >>By Tchock TCHOCK Where to start........you raise so many points---most of which are nonsense. I'll tery to help you here, but no guarantees. Higher taxation == BAD (elementary Watkins) Private schools == regulation?? (foolish Tchock/they accept NO fed or state money and AREN'T subject to regulation.) Private school in SF dividing society == NONSENSE. The purpose of that school is to educate their students in math, science, language and the like. In the land oof opportunity, we don't look to the government for most of the answers; we look within. Change the system == Our system is capitalistic and will remain that way == it is all about freedom. Nat'l Health Ins == In a sociaslistic economym that would fly. Do you understand America at all?? The cost of medical care is soaring. The quality of the care and the facilities in America is unequalled in the world. <<<Flagg is right. You are perocial. Because you have made a 'success' of your life - you feel that others aren't as 'successful' are a bunch of lazy card-carrying communists out to bring down the President>> You are stupid to say that. I'd send you to bed early for that insolence. You three feed off one another---perhaps laziness pays off where you live (see Flagg's post), but it does not pay off here!! <<<I just read that only 10% of children in America attend private schools. The rest have to suffer the overcrowded & underfunded system...>> Those are the words of your 18 year old friend again. I'll try to help you again: Private Schools: Two types,boarding vs day students. The highest test schools, $30-$40 k per year are the private boarding schools--NO hourly worker in America sends a child to one of those unless he/she has just won the lottery. The largest provider of private schools for day students (I believe) is the Catholic parochial schools. The are nowhere as expensive, but provide a good education. You can get away with anything in a public school classroom, but private schools maintain discipline. The boarding school tolerate no foolishness and private day schools tolerate very little. Many public school teachers lament that they much spend over 50% of their time on discipline........of course that is all the fault of Bush, capitalism and a greedy upper class!!! Can we agree on three things: Individuals muct assume responsibility for their actions. A capitalistic, free market economy provides the best OPPORTUNITY for acquiring wealth. Education is the key to a better life. Take responsibility for your own education. Quoting President John F. Kennedy's naugural address in 1962: "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." If there was a prevailing opinion that I brought back from England, it is this: The people had NO AMBITION. Is it still that way?? If so, perhaps YOU'D be wise to change. >>By lv2read You really make me sick. Honestly. You're a stereotype. You're a caricature of the fat, greedy American. >A capitalistic, free market economy provides the best OPPORTUNITY for acquiring wealth. I'm sure it is. I'm sure if all you want is money and cars, America is the best place to take your go-get-'em attitude, but I'll say it again: FOR SOME PEOPLE THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN ACQUIRING WEALTH. So you have no right whatsoever to call everyone else leeches or communists, or for that matter say they have no ambition, just because they don't want the same shit you want. Some people want wealth, yes. But some people want something spiritual. Some people want to help people less fortunate than themselves. Some people just want to do whatever that one thing is that makes them happy. And some people don't know what they want. And in a country where money is the most important thing in the world, those other things take a back seat. THAT'S why America can be great for someone like you and crap for someone else. But I'm wasting my time aren't I? Because you have no concept of other people. >>By Flagg lv2read, I can't believe you actually said most of what you DID just say there. "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Taxation. Over here we have a maximum of 40% taxation. Think about it. Footballer David Beckham (when he worked over here) was earning in excess of £100 000 (around $200 000) a WEEK. Think about how much that is over one year. But let's just tax him for one week. 40% = £40 000. That means he is living on £60 000 a week. Now I don't know about you - but I think he could *survive* on MUCH less - and EVERYONE in the country would benefit from his gross salary for such a pathetic job. A CEO earns maybe £1m ($2m) a year. For the good of the country - education, NHS, public services - road networks, increasing the national minimum wage, etc. Ok - let's put it in YOUR terms (you might see things a bit clearer here). If the government had MORE money through higher taxes (& there was a limit to how much they could earn AND that was not determined by the MPs/Congressmen themselves) think how many more countries America could invade & occupy !!!!!!!! Higher taxation on the HIGH earners is a good thing - if you think beyond your own wallet. I would be happy to spend more on taxes if I trusted the government to spend it correctly. Unfortunately we seem to elect complete idiots who are more concerned by passing the Bill on increasing their own salaries & invading & occupying countries which the populace is QUITE against. Yes it would be MY money which *I* earned - but I would be more than happy to see my money go towards developing a better education for all - the future of our country. THIS is doing something for your country. COMPREHEND THE QUOTE YOU JUST WROTE !!!!!!! If you have more tax money to spend & provided it is spent justy then think what you can do: Better education system with up-to-date schools, brand new technology which many school budget's can't afford, more teachers, more classrooms, less classroom sizes because there's more teachers, more resources, more equipment, more budget to go on school trips, more money to spend on brand new schools: if the teachers are less stressed about teaching huge classroom sizes, working with the limited resources they have & working in an enviroment that may be falling apart - then they're gonna have more time to work with the students, keep them disciplined & (depending on the teacher) keep them interested in education & learning &/or the subject which they teach. It works exactly the same as your pricey private schools, lv2read. The more money THEY have - you say - the better they are. Well the public schools just need a little SENSIBLE organization & more money in which to enact these changes - what's wrong with that? You say education is the key to a better life - and I can't agree with you more there. But there's not going to be many leaps to a better life if you're learning in an enviroment which is stretched so far it's almost about to snap; where the resources are out-of-date, when it's overcrowded & as you say, undisciplined. I'm sure only a minority of students of these public schools are as disruptive as you say - after all, I went to a state school & I'm not a young ruffian who carries a berrata in their back pocket. If 90% of America's students attend state schools - then of course you're going to get some 'nutters'. "Take responsibility for your own education." Yes. You don't work in your own time to achieve the results you are capable of/want to achieve then it is purely your own fault. However, if you are learning in the enviroment I mentioned above which is underfunded - then how on earth can you be blamed? Should you have paid through the nose to go to private school? Maybe you should have gone on wikipedia.org & learned it all from there if they can't afford it. "A capitalistic, free market, economy provides the best OPPORTUNITY for acquiring wealth." Oh no doubt. But catch is: it 's only an opportunity for SOME. Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards said"Two Americas...one privileged, the other burdened...one America that does the work, another that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks." The free market? Oh yes - a really great idea, don't get me wrong. But in a capitalist society - such as America - large portions of the market are owned by the massive corporate giants - like Wal-Mart & Glaxosmithkline & Procter & Gamble, Nestle etc.......... Over here many business cannot compete with the supermarkets - such as TESCO. They have 12.5% of the Market Share (in 2005) & Terry Leah (the CEO) declared that Tesco "Only had another 87.5% of the market to go." You were complaining about there being a dearth in deodrant brands here in the UK. Look at who owns them all. Here are some of the British ones: Sure - Unilever Dove - Unilever Exclamation - Coty Impulse - Unilever Lynx - Unilever Right Guard - Gillette Can't think of any more right now. But look at the percentage Unilever owns. 67% - more than half & as it's only out of a small list, it's a very large percentage. "Individuals must assume responsibility for their actions." Oh of course. "perhaps laziness pays off where you live (see Flagg's post), but it does not pay off here!!" Uhm. Well I suppose if you like hanging around in your council-paid-for house, earning money to look for a job, wasting away each day drinking in pubs all night & watching Jerry Springer all day, then yes -I guess your life achievments are fulfilled. Your opinion is classic laissez-faire & look where that got society. We (in Britain) abandoned it by 1906 & the (lazy)Liberal reforms. Of course that was a pathetic change to what we have now - the real change came after the Beveridge report in 1941. "The cost of medical care is soaring. The quality of the care and the facilities in America is unequalled in the world." Oh I quite agree - I have read that medical bills are one of the largest contributers to bankruptcy in America. Isn't that nice. You need a life-saving operation, but it ruins your life through the bill at the end. Private Health Insurance? What if you can't afford to pay that extra "luxury" each month? It's exactly like education. The more money it has - the better it is really going to be. Howzbout you invest all the money from Private Health care into an N.H.S where you can go in, have an operation or get a something as simple as a cast for a broken leg & walk out having already paid for it through your taxes. Private Health Insurance companies know that they can charge whatever they want - they can set it at such high prices because they know that most people will go for it - because they simply have no alternative. However I'd guess most people cannot afford to pay it - what happens when they go to hospital? Oh yeah - well IF they get treated (I hear quite a lot of hospitals do not treat you if you have no insurance) then you've got a huge bill to pay for once you're discharged. What's better - take the risk that you won't have a heart attack, that you won't get cancer - or pay extortionately high prices for insurance... JUST IN CASE. Most workers are already covered from health insurance through their employer - but as America becomes less & less a manufacturer of goods, that coverage lessens too. And as the premiums soar - small businesses simply cannot afford to pay the workers AND their health insurance. 46 million Americans are uninsured (15.7%) (2004 figures) That would be 77% of Britain's population. Imagine the outrage if it were the situation over here !!! The number of uninsured people in America (for health insurance) rose by 6 million from 2000-2004. Nearly 82 million people went without healthcare at one point during 2002-2003. Percentage of employment healthcare dropped from 70% to 59.8% in 2004. (The lowest level in a decade!!!) 8.2 million children were uninsured in 2004 - that is 11.2% of the child population !!! 31.4% of all young adults (18-24) did not have health insurance in the 2004 period. 32.7% of Hispanics did not have health insurance (from 2004 figures). This group is the least likely to have health insurance. A few quotes now from a study of healthcare based on 2004/2005 figures. "Millions of workers don't have the opportunity to get coverage. A third of firms in the U.S. did not offer coverage in 2004 " "Even if employees are offered coverage on the job, they can't always afford their portion of the premium. Employee spending for health insurance coverage has increased 143 percent between 2000 and 2005." The WHO healthcare rankings: 1 - Japan 2 - Switzerland 3 - Norway 4 - Sweden 5 - Luxembourg 6 - France 7 - Canada 8 - Netherlands 9 - UK 10 - Austria 11 - Italy 12 - Australia 13 - Belgium 14 - Germany 15 - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Unequalled anywhere in the world? Hmm.... yes - you're right. I'm sure they didn't come JOINT 15th !!! Capitalist system all about freedom??? Get your head out of the clouds, lv2read - it's all about the freedom of a FEW. It's always been about that - can't you see?? You've been so deluded over the years that you think you're in this free society where there is endless opportunities. Yeah - for some, lv2read - but take a closer look..... As for Ambition in the UK??? Well we are highly ambitious. We just have a certain dignity & integrity about it (most of us anyway). We definie ambition as something we would REALLY REALLY like to do & we will do it no matter what cost .... to us personally. We don't define it as pushing people out of our way to get what we want. >>By Tchock Fuckin' A. >>By Flagg L2R heres some more statistics to show what a Utopia the US is.. The years quoted in parenthesis are the most up-to-date figures that I could find Homicide Rates. per 100,000 population (2000) 5.64 U.S.A. 2.11 Scotland ( TCHOCK YOU NEED TO MOVE TO THE LAND OF THE SASSANACHS OR SHEEPSHAGGERS MATEY) 1.61 England & Wales National Poverty Rates (2000) US 17 % UK 12.4 % Child poverty (1998) 20.3% US 16.2 % UK Aids Sufferers (2005) 0.6% US 0.2% UK Infant mortality (2005) (Dont know if thats per 100,000 of population as I couldnt find the measure on the table that I saw) 6.7 US 5.1 UK prison populations per 100,000 population (2004) 726 US 142 UK rape rates per 100,000 population 32.05 US 14.69 UK yep a veritable dreamland when can I get my greencard.......not!!!! >>By BushisaManiac Of course L2R all these statistics come from the communist organisations such as the US Department of Justice and Interpol, The UK's Home office, The world Bank and as Tchock mentioned the WHO. So I guess we have all been duped by such heinous freedom hating organisations because we are so young and gullible or mature and stupid eh!! Your arguments are sad and introspective, no doubt read from the moron Bush's administration PR leaflets >>By BushisaManiac Are any of you for real? Dear Maniac: How about all those (fools??) that queue for years to immigrate to the US? How about our (mythical( standard of linimg?? How about the emphasis on making your own way, starting you own business, thriving, living the good life. How about real ambition? In Liverpool I met people that lived in 400 square foor homes that were happy.. How can that be?? Is ir that you have done without so long that you don't even know that you aren't well off? (...been down so long it looks like up to me----or sometrhing like that) You don't want the good things in life because you don't have them. Insurance/health care....Is it true some fiolks are denied surgery because the NHS doen't feel that it should be spent (the limited resources) in someone the patient's age? I'd like to know more about personal freedoms/choice in socialized medicing health care? For all the socialists out there.....NO one is denied health care here. YES the bill/invoive will folloe someone for up to 10 years---debts can't be reported beyond that time. Why? I don't know. Np, Flagg, Tchock and Maniac, I don't want the government to take care of me/decide whhat is best for me---I'll decide those things and DO those things for myself. If I purchase a very nice British car (as I did).....the decision was based on what I wantedm NOT what I needed. People work very hard here to obtain some luxuries for themself.....and that is not sa night out at the pub. I do not understand what the three of you are saying about money and education. You can just throw money at something and make the problem go away. In England you can make people learn?? We'd sure like to know how that works. You can make the parents stress the importance of education, the joy of reading, and so on. Amd you can make your immigrants learn English?? We have classroom upon classroom of children of Mexican immigrants (who parent have been in the US for years) that can't speak the language. And, none of my three sons were in such classrooms for reasons obvious to most---and my children went to public schools and very selective public universities. This probably sounds elitist to you....but I don't know a better way to explain it. Will you explain to me what people need? Don't you believe that Flagg would benefit greatly if his attitude were to change. Don't you believe that the Maniac could make a better attempt to appreciate cultural differences. And Tchock, wouldn't an education under the tutelege of professors---in a competitive learning environment, be a bit broadening?? <<<Your arguments are sad and introspective, no doubt read from the moron Bush's administration PR leaflets>>>> Dear Maniac: Wake up and smell the roses. You may choose to do without your entire life, but not me!!! And, by the way....are the rumblings in Iran on your radar yet? How long should we allow that 'cancer' to malinger? Before you answer, you might read "Why England Slept" by John F. Kennedy. What woud he know, his Dad was ONLY America's ambassador to your country.....and live there....and personally knewe ALL your leaders of the day. >>By lv2read mmmm I see how you blithely ignore the statistics, higher crime than the UK, a higher poverty rate than the UK.... but still obviously a wonderland compared to the UK. "How about the emphasis on making your own way, starting you own business, thriving, living the good life. How about real ambition?" Is that all ambition is to you...owning your own business, I have been there and done that and it sucks, didnt make me happy at all, despite the money, and guess what!! I'm getting more money now working through an agency so owning your own business is not the be all and end all for some people...for you yes it is and as Flagg and Tchock have said, you judge everyone else purely on your own merits... "In Liverpool I met people that lived in 400 square foor homes that were happy.. How can that be??" because they are you numpty, not everyone needs a huge house and a big car to be happy, in fact they are probably better off than you are...what would happen to you if your business fails, if you lose your big house and your nice car....you'ld be fucked, cos if you ever had to live in a 400 square foor home you wouldn't be able to cope would you!! "NO one is denied health care here. YES the bill/invoive will folloe someone for up to 10 years" gee I see now, we might have to wait for an operation here in the dark ages of the UK but we dont have to pay a penny for it...mmmm yes I'd rather have a huge bill to worry about for years and years pass me a green card someone quickly!! "Don't you believe that the Maniac could make a better attempt to appreciate cultural differences." ha ha ha pot calling kettle black, you are the one who cant appreciate other cultures mmmm why can people be happy in a 400 sq ft home...thats not possible...you daft twat!! I can see why people are happy in the states just as i can see how people in Romania are happy, despite being poor..its you that doesnt understand how people outside of your beauftiful country can live and be content... "Dear Maniac: Wake up and smell the roses. You may choose to do without your entire life, but not me!!!" and pray tell what am I doing without? I own a nice farmhouse, a couple of cars, which I chose because I wanted them not because I needed them, when the weathers good I go out and blast down country roads on my motorbike, or go flying, I go to restaurants whenever I want and I go on nice holidays in the far east or the Carribean when I want (working around projects obviously) I vote for whom I want, drink what I want, splash whatever aftershave on that I want, there is nothing that you have that I dont, your house may be bigger...so what, your car may be bigger....so what, I dare say tour yearly salary is far bigger than mine...so what!! I am happy and content what I dont have which you do is a vulgar love of money, i bet you just spend hours lovingly gazing at your bank statements, but hey pal you cant take it with you when you pop your clogs you know. And once more I couldn't particulary give a toss about Iran...the only time i ever think of Iran is when you mention it on your posts, gee does it keep you awake at nights with worry...cos it dont worry me.... and as for JFK's dad, he was a booze smuggler in the prohibition, a real crook, is that someone for me to admire and look up to, and whether or not he knew the Politiciaans of the day...the England of then is a far far different place to now...so what on earth could I possibly learn from a family of irish bum's like the Kennedys... oh perhaps I can learn how to drive off bridges whilst drunk killing my girlfriend in the process and getting away with it!! yes I can see how that skill would come in handy.. >>By BushisaManiac so what on earth could I possibly learn from a family of irish bum's like the Kennedys... oh perhaps I can learn how to drive off bridges whilst drunk killing my girlfriend in the process and getting away with it!! yes I can see how that skill would come in handy..>>> To paint Prsident Kennedy with a broad brush like that reflect a lack of intellect. I'm sure that the rest of the ganf will agree with me on that. An as for many of the OTHERS (including Senator Kennedy) I couldn't agree more. I'd like to help you Brits with the word 'ambitiom' as in the desire to learn more, to earn more, to improve oneself....opposite-status quo. Maniac, ambition is the opposite of settling, of being content...and the like. I'm telling you nothing that you don't know----you're just being argumenitative. And I still cam't believe a family is comfortable in 400 sq ft of living space----and to accept that it must be that way....not very American. Maniac, cultural differences aside, I've enjoyed my visits to your country, and have made friends/acquaintences there that I still keep up with. And there are major differences. But, so what. I don't have to live there, but find it very enjoyable for a visit. If you haven't been to the US, you can't really appreciate what I am saying. You must experience it to really uinderstand. because they are you numpty = pls translate you daft twat = are you calling me stupid?? What is a twat?? <<Nearly 82 million people went without healthcare at one point during 2002-2003.>> What is the point? The government is not responsible for medical care.....why not give incentives to businesses so that they can afford to provide such for their employees?? That is the only way that it will come about here. TCHOCK The WHIO rankings are biased in favor of countries with socialized medicine...you think?? Be careful where you get your information... HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. Thank you for writing. >>By lv2read <My original reply was lost in cyberspace> <NO one is denied health care here. YES the bill/invoive will folloe someone for up to 10 years---debts can't be reported beyond that time> So it is ok for people to take out huge LOANS to be able to pay off their healthcare bills?? That is ok with you. That is all part of what living in America is all about. It seems to have escaped you, but a national health service is NOT the first step to seeing the Red Flag flying over Washington. Indeed you may purchase a car of your choice even with an NHS. It is common practice over here in the UK - it really is quite strange. We can buy what we want, but we have state education & state run hospitals. What a daft old country we are. "Ask not what your country can do for you: but what you can do for your country." JKF. Dearie me this statement seems to have washed over you as if you were a pebble at the bottom of Challenger Deep in the Pacific Ocean. By NOT opting out of the public education system, by not wanting an NHS, by not wanting to contribute MORE to your country & fellow citizen's wellbeing by paying taxes, by taking your children away from the rest of society to elitists schools, by allowing families with financial hardships to pay extortionate health insurances & hospital bills, by forsaking the education system that strives to teach 90% of the student population on little resources & money & allowing that to continue because you plain don't want to change it: that is the very thing that is UNPATRIOTIC. Ambition is..........(amongst other things you said)...."not to be content." & there enlies the very thing that controls the entire human race. The media & business use it. Don't even try to deny it because it lurks in every corner of advertising & business & politics. (the last two being one in the same). To never be content is to always want more - more & more. But with every product that you buy - thinking it will make yourself feel better, your life becomes more worthless - in your eyes at least, not in *reality*. Tell me, lv2read - have you ever seen Fight Club???? Give businesses incentives to offer health insurance to their employees. I don't think you will ever realize what this sentence means. You may do on the surface - but you will not understand how morally wrong this is. Do away with high premium insurances - insurances at all - have an NHS. Everything's covered. You don't need any incentives for businesses. & Those 82 million people did not have PERSONAL health insurance. Oh well quite frankly I don't know if the 14 countries who are ahead of American in the WHO rankings are all NHS. But let's find out. Japan - YES. National Healthcare. Swizterland - Not Centralized- but Public Funded (around 100 private clinics) Norway - Both. Sweden - Yes !! Not centralized as such, but controlled Federally Luxembourg - Yes - completely public healthcare !!! France - Yes !! 20% tax goes straight into public healthcare !!! Canada - Yes !!! Funded Federally... Netherlands - Ish. They have public insurance schemes - 63% are part of it. UK - Yes !! But also a little bit of private too. Austria - Yes !!! Social Security as well. Italy - Yep !!! Australia - a bit of both. Belgium - More private... 31% Public & 69% Private Germany - Mainly Private but non-profit private - Of Germany's 2,030 hospitals, 790 are publicly owned, 820 are private non-profit, and 420 are private for-profit. And on top of that EU citizens are entitled to FREE healthcare in any other EU member state. As we can see - most of these countries are leaning on public funded health care... & are the WHO biased against socialized health care systems???? Well I think NOT - it might be PURE chance that the better health care systems can be funded by the public too..... or is that some underground conspiracy that Lenin created before he died??? & it was suggested that the US is 37th in the WHO rankings. But I shall stick with the WHO pdf file they displayed on their website. >>By Tchock Definitions: Numpty: stupid, ignorant, bit of a thicky, idiot. & I must say - I concur BIAM !!! "Daft Twat" - yes, I would believ he is calling you stupid. Twat: Well.... the dangly collection of objects between your legs, matey. >>By Tchock *** the NOT in the "opting out of" - remove that... >>By Tchock L2R "The WHIO rankings are biased in favor of countries with socialized medicine...you think??" no you stupid knobber they are biased in favour of who has the best healthcare...thats what the list says, how dumb are you really!! as for ambition, yours is purely to earn more and more and more money, so how can you be happy when you havent got enough now, jeez you really are a cowardly war mongering greed ridden disease arent you and that aint rage talking my fine friend thats just disgust and thcock wrong matey a twat is what you have between your legs, not what he has between his :-) >>By BushisaManiac odd... the scots definition is different - hmm... strange how meanings vary (either that or i just don't use language like that at all so got it wrong ;) ) i don't think he's coming back...................at least until the new year???? >>By Tchock :-) maybe in the glourious reich of the USA they are too important to wait for new year like the rest of us....or maybe he's just going into hibernation.... as for the language well you 'porridge wogs' are a strange race anyhow!! >>By BushisaManiac & lv2read there's Success & $ucce$$ >>By Tchock porridge wogs !!!! it's not my fault that ALL we can afford up here to eat is porridge oats & milk !!!!!!! ;) >>By Tchock L2R you really are quite dense...read what I wrote (yet again i'm beginning to wonder if you can read or not...great example of your fine education system) I am happy and content with my lot, content doesn't mean make do with what you have got content means fulfilled, I have no desire to worship upon the alter of money like you do... I work about 40~50 hours a week, not very hard work at that, and unless I am bombarded with one project after another I have about three months off a year, to do as I please, I earn about three times the UK national average, as I said I have a nice house and the trappings that come with it, I dont have a mortgage I paid outright, apart from a credit card I dont have any debts. I am very happy with my lot and have no desire to work every hour that god gives just to earn more and more and more money. I learn new things every week, last year at the age of 40 I learned how to fly, a lifelong ambition of mine...see we do have ambitions just not the ambition to earn more and more money like you. if i want something I save for it and buy it simple as that. My aim in life is to get a commercisal pilots license give up work and just teach people to fly for a pittance wage, cos I know I will be happy doing that....lordy I hear you cry how can someone be happy if they are not making money....cos some of us actually have a life that we might enjoy. your rantings here have been full of self contradiction and denial......take healthcare... we in europe have a free heatlhcare service...you do not and regardless of whether you say that your hospitals treat everybody that goes to them, I have seen enough documentaries and read enough books to know that some of your hospitals will turn people away if they havent got health insurance, and others wont even go to hospital because they know that they will have massive bills to pay afterwards, so tell me what is so great about the US health system...on second thoughts dont tell me anything because I know the bullshit that you will say...no different than what you have written all along...everything that has been written, researched or televised that doesnt fit in with your views has been done so with some socialist agenda... do you not see how pathetic that argument has become....I have seen with my own eyes where a guy who was knocked off his motorbike and broke his arm refused to get in the ambulance and called a friend to pick him up instead cos he couldnt afford the medical bills that would ensue. please dont answer to this because your views are totally irrelevant now and relly rather boring. bush...america..great...blah blah blah Oh by the way, I have been to the states (I did say that I had on an earlier post but you chose to ignore/deny that) and apart from the weather being good it didnt really impress me that much, Canada now theres a far far better place to be in once again L2R please dont reply to this I am not interested in your views anymore I find you both unpallatable and somewhat disgusting, and at the risk of being labelled rascist I find you emulate the classic stereotype of your religion down to a tee. Our dollar who art in heaven, hallowed be your cents...etc etc get my drift? >>By BushisaManiac "it's not my fault that ALL we can afford up here to eat is porridge oats & milk !!!!!!! ;)" Ah there you go see Tchock, its your own fault see 'cos you have no ambition!! anyone with real ambition would at least have a little eggy and slice of bacon for their brekkers :-) >>By BushisaManiac This whole discussion can, if you ask me, be finished by re-iterating one fact: In America, you can work your whole life, never run afoul of the law, and yet die needlessly because you have no access to health care. My mother is 63 and dying, and is being denied care because she's not the "magic" age of 65 when you become somehow worthy of life. According to L2R, she deserves this because she never "made the right moves" or whatever he calls it in his Miami Vice mind; she never sucked as many c**ks as he has and thus owns no Bentley. Any American, especially rich ones, who would rather see people suffer and die than pay a little more in taxes is NOT my countryman, and will be among the first against the wall when the revolution comes. Also we need access to shephard's pie here in the states, but that's another matter. >>By Just Jon Sorry to hear about your mum JJ I'm sure L2R will come up with a reason to justify why your mum is in the position that she is, he'll smile and say that all is right with the world and not understand why we cant possibly agree. cottage pie is just as good as shepherds pie !! >>By BushisaManiac Yeah - it's fucking disgusting the way your mum is being treated. Really sorry to hear about that Just Jon....................... No doubt lv2read will say that only communists get sick. Nut Roast BEATS them all though !!!!!!!!! >>By Tchock >>(yet again i'm beginning to wonder if you can read or not...great example of your fine education system) Well he sure as hell can't write. ;) >You don't want the good things in life because you don't have them. THE GOOD THINGS IN LIFE ARE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. Look. Caps lock. LOOK what you have reduced me to l2r. Please, PLEASE try to comprehend. Why do you ignore what I'm saying? I say there's more to life than cars and cash and you go on about 'the good things in life' like I never said anything, like none of us ever said anything. Well you're wrong and you're a pathetic old man and in a few years you're gonna die, and I hope that in your lasts moments you realise that you've wasted your life chasing shit you don't need. And healthcare is everyone's right. >>By Flagg Didn't follow the convo of the last 3-4 pages so I'm budding in following the last post: Statement: Chasing "shit you don't need" - is often compensation for a lack of things you can't chase/buy. True of false? >>By Lynn Could be. I wouldn't know. Maybe lv2read should have some counselling sessions of his own and find out if that's the case for him. >>By Flagg And you know he's NOT having counselling already... because..?? Not saying that he IS, I wouldn't know - just something I learned is.. that you can't make assumptions based on a) so little information and then b) you'd still have to ask to make sure because things are so often not what they seem to be and then c) even if someone tells you, it might still not be true. >>By Lynn I'm not sure what you mean by that, Lynn. I defend America when we're attacked for the wrong reasons--just ask BIAM. Jingoism and nationalism is prevelant in the UK as well, and equally stupid. I think L2R has provided more than enough evidence to make it clear that he's rich (and for some reason chose to buy an expensive BRITISH car) and thinks money is the measure of a man. Counseling isn't going to make you a better person. L2R thinks the poor should be denied standard education and taught to clean his toilets, and that health care is a privilege to be earned. I have no sympathy for the man, that simple. >>By Just Jon I'm sure you're right Lynn. In fact to assume he's not in therapy (or has been) would be the *exact* same mistake he made about me. The impressions he gives is that he is so certain that he's good, happy and successful that he wouldn't even begin to consider counselling of any sort, but as you say, it's impossible to know. >>By Flagg |