also recommended for those looking for a new author, try amy hempel. and about vonnegut- i agree. i have read all palahniuk and the majority of vonnegut, and there is definitely a similarity there. although palahniuk's plots are more realistic even if they are insane. anyone willing to try an old favorite as well, pick up a few kurt vonnegut novels. namely, bluebeard or galapagos or slaughterhouse-five.
>>By r g keener
i think "invisible monsters" is his most intricate, insane, and "what just happened here?" work, and i love that about it. i'm looking forward to diary. and does anyone know exactly what "nana" is going to be?
>>By noname message
I have been looking for a story/tale that I was told by a 7th grade English teacher. I can't remember anything more about the story than this (I think): there was a man who was told something (story/poem/song, I'm not sure) and after hearing it he could think of nothing else. He deteriorated because of it. I think but am not sure that when the (story/poem/song) was heard the person couldn't get rid of "it" until that person told it to someone else. Passing "it" to the new person to deal with.
The story Lullaby again triggered my thoughts of finding out what the story/tale was that my 7th grade English teacher told.
I would appreciate any assistance, direction or info anyone may be able to give.
Sorry TamaraM, I can't say that rings any bells. I have a queation too, if you don't mind me butting in. People say Millennial angst a lot around Palahniuk. What's the difference between Millennial angst and Existential angst. Is it the same thing, or subtly different? Any opinions?
Im a big asshole. Ive only read Fight Club and i thought it was great. I need to get some cash cause i heard great things about "Choke" well hopefully i wont be a dirt ball. (good ole self deprication)
>>By hXc bill
Anyone else notice how Survivor seemed like Fight Club v2.0? Not a sequel or a re-write, but not exactly a different novel, either. It seemed alot more like Fight Club than any other novel I've read by him (just Lullaby and Choke, but still...).
And I loved the lobster scene in Survivor and the first kill in Lullaby. They seemed to have the same atmosphere around them (a sense of doing something that's both unthinkable and impossible).
Invisible Monsters sounds good, but I think some of you here should maybe think about what you're writing before you post it up. It would've been nice not to know that twist that's been mentioned about the characters in Invisible Monsters.
Anyway, what I like most about Palahniuk is how he writes in the first person. It makes the stories so much more entertaining, and it really makes the reader care more about the characters and events in the book. I wish more authors would write this way.
Have any of you friends of Palahniuk seen his dvd for sale in stores, postcards from the future ?
Choke (I'm almost done)
I have to read Survivor, i have it.
Congratulations! You've finally made a step in the right direction. So, come crawl up into my cranium. I am opening it up only to you (it'll be our little secret). Warning: owner takes no responsibility in damage that may incur.
I am Jack's wasted cerebral cortex
. . . Okay. Here it is. The first step in being more like me, and less like Jack's pimple on his ass - to be way real: read more Chuck Palahniuk. If you are new to Palahniuk don't fear; he does not bite. Best book: 'Choke' It is the twisted tale of a medical student drop out who takes the reader into the underworld of sex addiction. Folks, it doesn’t get any better than this. What’s that you say? You want more Chuck Palahniuk! Well then, there is of course the cool pulp version of 'Fight Club,' and his second best book,'Invisible Monsters,' definately must reads. Oh, you want to start out with Mr. P's only above average literary masterpieces, ease onto him gently. . . I know, start with becoming familiar with his town by reading Fugitives and Refugees. (If one was so inclined, go to Portland and do the walk and talk) If you live there, well, aren't we sooo lucky. Only after F & R, read in order: 'Diary: A Novel', 'Survivor : A Novel', and then 'Lullaby,' now, you are Jack's fermented to a smooth aged brain looking through Jack's wide open eyelids.
i think i'd be a really happy person if I could send Chuck my copy of Fight Club and have him return it with his signiture of the inside of the cover. Anyone know how I could go about this?
I've only read Lullaby. Reads like it should be a movie. The characters, although quirky, aren't particulary well-developed. Intriguing premise, but could have been more interesting had it been set in the early twentieth century in smaller community (instead of the entire country).
Ok, in his new book, Diary, is it just me or did he intentionally make the name of the island Waytansea Island sound like "wait and see"? Just something to ponder.
me again. does anyone here know if any more of Chuck's books are going to be made into movies??
palahniuk's books are so incredible that i don't want anymore made into movies! they would all just be colossal disappointments to me!
don't get me wrong, i'd rush out to see the next one. i always love to see another person's interpretation of an amazing story.
but, when i read his stories the visions i get in my head are so vivid and marvelous that no movie could ever come close!!!!!
>>By mrs. rosewater
SoulSlave: Apparently Choke and Invisible Monsters, Diary will be films. Here is a link to a great site:
(sorry I had to break up link for the 50 character thing)
The Cult at Chuck's site is very good.
I wrote a long post on the Fight Club discussion thread on Gnod, so I won't repeat myself much. I think Lullaby is
the natural choice for a film. I'd like Ed Norton or John Cusack to be the lead and Catherine Keener to be Helen.
Anyone else have casting ideas? I would like Fincher or possible Spike Jonze to make the Lullaby movie. I know
other directors are already on board for various films, but I think Sophia Coppola would be a good choice for Chuck,
especially Invisible Monsters. Sorry for cross-polination.
i heard for the invisible mosters movie jessica biel will be acting in the place of Brandy
.. lets see how well she pulls off drag!
I have read a few of his books and I have to say I think Diary was his most acomplished. With the others that I have read (Fight Club, Choke, Lullaby) I found I had nagging doubts after I had finished them. Although I enjoyed them immensely, none of them seemed to resolved satisfactorily. I won't go as far as saying their are holes in the plots, but by the end I didn't feel they had added up properly.
With Diary, however, the internal logic of the whole story fitted together much more neatly.
I could see all of his books being made into films, but again I believe that Diary would make the best one, simply because of the way it is tied up without the loose edges of the others. That kind of neat conclusion appeals greatly to the movie bosses, so I can see that one being optioned out pretty soon if it hasn't been already.
Anyways, there's a few of my humble thoughts.
i dont know. i loved how you have to think about the books. also, i found that the plots fit together nicely in the books. i didnt feel that i had doubts about there not being a concrete conclusion to the books i read. i was satisfied with them. maybe thats just me though.
I heard that Invisible Monsters is finally being made into a movie. I'm so exicited, I just hope that it isn't botched. However, since Jessica Beil, former WB primetime soap opera Seventh Heaven star has been cast in the dual leads, it seems like it might already be too late.
>>By Leah A.
where are you guys hearing this information?? i havent heard anything at all about invisible monsters being made into a movie.....
I don't remember exactly where I picked up the info, I think it was an article on Palahniuk in Rolling Stones or some other random magazine. But every so often I hear the same "it might be in the process of being made into the movie yada yada yada". I'm not sure if its completely legit, but hopefully all of the hearsay will turn out to be right.
>>By Leah A.
Am I the only one who's been disappointed by Diary?
i was, but not extremely. i just wouldn't read it again.
Anyone read a book called "war, baby"? It`s a recount of the Nigel Benn Gerald Mclellan fight and in it the writer talks about how he met Palhuniuk before he wrote "Fight Club". He actually went out and picked fights in much the same way as Tyler and 'Jack'!! OK possibly not the smartest thing in the world to have done (i nearly ended up in jail in my formative years) but still, nice to hear of a writer actually walking the walk!!
I adore Chuck's writing, one of my favourites.
\\\"Guts\\\" is one of the most disturbing pieces of writing ever, I loveeeee it.. along with everything else Ive read by him. I love how everything he makes is so creative and effed up and interesting but you can still get some symbolism or morals out of it... he\\\'s pretty satirical
i just recently read choke and lullaby and i have to say this guy is definately on to something. he knows what's up!!!
I just read Fight Club. I read the first half in one sitting, that's very unusual for me. It was like being snatched by a whirlwind.
I loved the film, now I love the book too. I think one day I'll read it again and decide it's one of the greatest books ever written.
Diary is not the best. This is true. Vonnegut is a good writer in the same tone as Palahniuk. Both of them have their way of grabbing you and it flows through their books. Fuck making movies out of Chuck's books. It is never as good as the book no matter what book you turn into film. Fight Club movie was good but in no way matches the book. I think palahniuk deliberately writes the way he does to make it almost imposible to transfer to big screen. I'm reading Haunted now and while I can see it being made into a movie I can see much of the ideas being lost. Sure, tons of blood, violence, cutaways to short stories by everyone under the light, it could work as a movie. But we the actual readers will always be disappointed by Hollywood. I've seen one movie based on a book that was dead-on. That was Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. They caught everything about the book, every sentence and every acid induced paranoia. Anyway, is Chuck's Stranger than Fiction a good read? Thought of getting it next.
I'm reading Haunted too, I agree with you, I wouldn't want to see it turned into a film.
But in myopinion the film of Fight Club is easily as good as the book. And I think many films do the books they're based on justice.
Fight Club, Interview With the Vampire, Misery, The Shining, Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs, Minority Report...
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